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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #30

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nauticant · 17/07/2025 15:39

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14
Thread 15: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273119-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-15
Thread 16: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273636-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-16
Thread 17: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273827-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-17
Thread 18: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274332-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-18
Thread 19: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274571-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-19
Thread 20: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5275782-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-20
Thread 21: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5276925-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-21
Thread 22: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5280174-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-22
Thread 23: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5285690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-23
Thread 24: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5301295-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-24
Thread 25: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5318518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-25
Thread 26: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5335861-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-26
Thread 27: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5372582-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-27
Thread 28: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5374630-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-28
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CriticalCondition · 17/07/2025 16:53

Is VV a 'Dr' of the academic type? Because the judge definitely said 'Dr' someone. And I can't imagine NC passing up the opportunity to cross examine VV.

PennyAnnLane · 17/07/2025 16:55

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/07/2025 16:53

So - we're to see a real doctor tomorrow, are we? Will this doctor have any more guts that those two flailing nurses, we wonder? I do so hope that our Naomi will test the depths of her medical knowledge with testing questions such as - How many sexes are there? Can mammals change sex? Is a castrated male a female? ... and so on.

Actually, it's really starting to bug me that most of the actors in this unlikely drama (besides the fragrant Beth) are women. I know that on X people so like to say that it's mainly women who go along with the batshittery of Genderwoo. But I don't like to see this played out for real. Can't some women in Fife (apart from Naomi and Peggie) grow a backbone, please?

Men don’t go in for the ‘be kind’ bollocks, I’d imagine if it had come before a man he’d have said to Upton ‘you’ll have to change elsewhere’ and Upton would’ve said ‘alright mate’ because there’s no fun in pushing other men around.

Merrymouse · 17/07/2025 16:55

prh47bridge · 17/07/2025 16:42

If that is the intention, I think it is incredibly stupid. For the vast majority of humans, you can tell what chromosomes they've got simply by looking at their genitals (which, of course, is what happens when a baby is born - we observe and record sex, we don't "assign" it). That holds true for everyone who hasn't got DSD and the majority of those who do. There are very few people with ambiguous genitals or genitals that do not match their chromosomes. I abhor the attempts by TRAs to use people with DSDs to advance their cause.

But then the whole thing is jaw droppingly stupid. I cannot fathom how a grown woman who has given birth can convince herself that she doesn't know what sex she is.

Whilst I am sure that the judge should find for SP, we can never be certain until the judgement comes out. I haven't been watching but, reading some of the testimony, if I were the judge I would be finding it very hard to maintain the appearance that I had not decided anything. I would be seriously wishing I could fine Fife £1k for every minute I had to listen to this nonsense.

Logically most people can reason that the reason we define sex (in any organism, plant or animal) is because it has practical consequences.

However, some people have been persuaded that this is biological determinism and that we need to pretend that pregnancy/miscarriage/sex specific medical conditions could happen to anyone.

DrBlackbird · 17/07/2025 16:55

Ms Malone said Ms Peggie's comments that Dr Upton was a man constituted unacceptable conduct.

In other words, you can only say what we tell you can be said. Such comments by the progressive left truly demonstrates its totalitarian nature.

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2025 16:55

SternJoyousBee · 17/07/2025 16:52

GM No, don't think DU did harass. Unprofessional behaviour on part of SP.

Very bold statement from the person with such poor recall. Who didn’t read letters attached to emails she was sent but instead just forwarded them. The person who cannot recall reading a RA but is certain the decision to suspend was correct. The person who was not involved in any part of the investigation.

But she’s happy to state in a tribunal that Sandie acted in an unprofessional way…. just from the details of a DATIX that was anything but impartial.

This is also the person whose role involved nurse welfare?

She should be ashamed of herself.

She acknowledged that Upton carried out an action which could be described as harassing in certain circumstances and failed to recognise it as such, whilst accusing Peggie of being unprofessional at the same time.

It shows she doesn't know what she is talking about and/or is totally biased.

Both explanations are not favourable.

GreenFriedTomato · 17/07/2025 16:56

We never did get to the bottom of the conversations between Upton and the BMA. A few other things that Upton failed to record in his contemporaneous notes.
I take it the request to examine his phone was denied.

So many lies have been told throughout this whole sorry witch-hunt.

One thing I do have clear in my mind is that there should be disciplinary action against Upton now. It's clear he has made allegations up which is serious professional misconduct. He's cost NHS Fife (the taxpayer) £££££££ and put Sandie Peggie through hell.

He's admitted he would ignore patients consent or lack of it.

He should NOT be able to walk away from this scott free. Even losing his job wouldn't be enough. He needs to pay for what he's done and at the very least be struck off.

puffyisgood · 17/07/2025 16:56

PrettyDamnCosmic · 17/07/2025 16:49

The gotcha fails because we all know what sex we were born because it's recorded at the time on our birth certificate.. There is only need to do a chromosome test if it's ambivalent because of a DSD. If birth sex is unclear then a chromosome test will be performed but the result will be returned long before the birth needs to be registered at six weeks after birth.

Someone born in the UK who claims not to know their sex is lying.

yeah it's dismal.

many of us don't know for sure what sex we are but we can all make a very, very, very well informed guess.

e.g. I'm sure Dr Upton must at his workplaces have many times correctly inferred, upon seeing a stranger clad in scrubs/wielding a stethoscope, that the person is a colleague, without angsting about the fact that he's not checked their employment contract. it's just plain common sense.

OhBuggerandArse · 17/07/2025 16:57

CriticalCondition · 17/07/2025 16:53

Is VV a 'Dr' of the academic type? Because the judge definitely said 'Dr' someone. And I can't imagine NC passing up the opportunity to cross examine VV.

I think she will just deal with VV's statement in submissions. i.e., it is so mental/superceded by the Supreme Court judgement that there is no point in wasting anyone's time going through it in person.

katmarie · 17/07/2025 16:57

MarieDeGournay · 17/07/2025 16:29

The BBC headline
Nurse confronted trans doctor in 'unacceptable' manner, tribunal hears
is incredibly deceitful.
Yes the tribunal heard that; they also heard it admitted that SP had not been aggressive and had not raised her voice; and furthermore it was the NHS Fife witness's opinion that there was no acceptable way to challenge DrU's presence in the women's CR, because it was inherently discriminatory to do so.

And underpinning it all is the fact that it has since been acknowledged that there is no evidence that SP said those things at all, in any manner acceptable or 'unacceptable'.

But the headline stands, and some of the the mud sticks.
Nurse confronted trans doctor in 'unacceptable' manner, tribunal hears

I've sent a complaint to the BBC about that headline.

prh47bridge · 17/07/2025 16:58

Merrymouse · 17/07/2025 16:55

Logically most people can reason that the reason we define sex (in any organism, plant or animal) is because it has practical consequences.

However, some people have been persuaded that this is biological determinism and that we need to pretend that pregnancy/miscarriage/sex specific medical conditions could happen to anyone.

This is the problem with FIBs (Fashionably Irrational Beliefs). Intelligent people can rationalise them to themselves. Having done so, they have to stick to them as otherwise they will be cast out of the tribe (as appears to have happened to IB).

Needspaceforlego · 17/07/2025 16:59

Merrymouse · 17/07/2025 16:37

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2xz2wwwwo

I know this was mentioned on previous thread, but this is an odd headline given that Peggie has been cleared.

They'll have some back pedalling to do in a week or so. I look forward to it.

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2025 17:00

FIBs.

Liking the acronym

myplace · 17/07/2025 17:00

myplace · 17/07/2025 16:34

@waitwhat23 <hope I remembered the name right> could you do a poll, using heart and thumbs reactions for Scottish or not?

I’m not. I just think it’s relevant to everyone, but especially women. I wouldn’t like have an extra dose of fire in my belly if I were local and this was my immediate tax payer money and hospital.

So this was for @Waitwhat23 * *in case that tag works better.

Waitwhat23 · 17/07/2025 17:01

CriticalCondition · 17/07/2025 16:53

Is VV a 'Dr' of the academic type? Because the judge definitely said 'Dr' someone. And I can't imagine NC passing up the opportunity to cross examine VV.

No, VV is not a doctor of any type as far as I can tell.

NecessaryScene · 17/07/2025 17:02

If don't know what sex I am, by the same standard, I don't know how tall I am, how old I am, what my name is, or my birthday, how much money I have, who I work for, or who my spouse is, or how many children I have.

I also don't know what I had for lunch, or what time it is, or which website I'm posting this on, or whether I'm currently in an employment tribunal.

To selectively claim you don't know what sex you are while not expressing the same uncertainty about all those other personal details is curious.

BettyBooper · 17/07/2025 17:02

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Day 2 | PM Session | Peggie Sandie v NHS Fife & Dr Upton

🔥 Confidentiality Collapsed, Safeguarding Side-Stepped: NHS Fife’s Leadership in Disarray

By the end of the afternoon, the tribunal had laid bare a pattern of procedural collapse, managerial confusion, and ideological rigidity. Gillian Malone, Director of Nursing at NHS Fife, returned to the stand- but this time, the focus was sharper. Under questioning from Naomi Cunningham KC and the tribunal panel itself, Malone’s role in the suspension of Sandy Peggie became both clearer and more troubling.

Confidentiality, supposedly a pillar of the disciplinary process, had not just eroded - it was weaponised. Documents showed that SP was not explicitly warned to keep quiet until months after her suspension. Meanwhile, senior NHS staff - including investigators and potential witnesses - were openly emailing one another, sharing statements, and circulating details about the case. Consultants were briefed on SP’s version of events before an investigation had even begun.

Malone could not explain it. She agreed that this was not how it should have been handled. But once again, she claimed detachment from responsibility: the decisions weren’t hers. She hadn’t seen key documents until the tribunal bundle. She didn’t recall appointing investigators. She didn’t know why months passed between telling AG to investigate and the process actually starting.

Yet the fallout from these decisions was undeniable. SP had told managers she felt isolated - colleagues had been told not to speak to her. The environment had become, in her words, humiliating and intimidating. But Malone, when pressed, downgraded the situation to merely “awkward.”

It wasn’t just the process that had failed. It was the principle. SP had raised a concern about a male colleague - Dr Beth Upton - using the female-only changing room. Rather than accommodate her rights, NHS Fife tried to silence her. An internal email from Lottie Miles showed that managers sought to prevent SP from referring to Upton as “he” or “man”—language entirely in line with her protected belief that sex is real and relevant. Malone insisted this wasn’t an attempt to suppress GC views, but the effect was unmistakable: SP was gagged, while Upton was shielded.

The panel drilled down into the authority structure. If Malone wasn’t responsible, who was? She admitted her job included governance, complaints, and adverse events - yet she’d left the core of the investigation to a junior colleague, Esther Davidson, who had only just taken on her post. Even then, there was no documentation, no clarity on timelines, no evidence of proper risk assessments before the decision to suspend.

In a moment of rhetorical clarity, Cunningham posed a hypothetical: if a male employee walked in on a woman changing, that would be sexual harassment. If he installed a camera, unquestionably so. But what if he said, “I’m a woman now” - would that change the reality of the intrusion? Even Malone agreed: it shouldn’t. And yet that is precisely what NHS Fife allowed. Because DU said he was a woman, female staff were told to accommodate him - or face sanction.

Asked whether DU’s behaviour on Christmas Eve constituted sexual harassment, Malone’s answer was damning: “No. It was SP who behaved unprofessionally.”

It was a chilling inversion. The woman who raised a safeguarding concern became the problem. The man whose presence triggered discomfort became the protected party. The institution wrapped it all in DEI compliance and left fairness behind.

Today’s testimony didn’t just expose administrative error. It revealed an NHS leadership culture where policy replaces judgment, where belief in biological sex is suspect, and where women who speak up face censure - not support.

The tribunal continues. But after this, the question is not whether NHS Fife followed process. It’s whether the process itself is fit for women at all.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 17/07/2025 17:02

Just catching up, eventful day. I’m looking forward to Dr Searle being asked if she knows she’s female without checking chromosomes.

NotAGentleReminder · 17/07/2025 17:03

Checking TT from February, it looks like Dr Elspeth Pitt was the one who Dr Upton immediately reported the changing room incident to in person on Christmas Eve, emailing Dr Kate Searle that same night.
From TT 6th Feb 2025:
"DU - so I knew likely Elspeth would leave a couple of hours after starting shift.
JR - where did you find her?
DU - went round whole dept at least once, asked registrar, found her eventually and asked for a conv.
JR - where did conv happen?
DU - well being room in A+E"
From TT 11th Feb 2025:
"DU No [missed]
NC Now look at incident of 28 Dec in the plaster room. U told E Pitt about Xmas eve incident immed didnt you
Yes
NC And then emailed KS in small hrs of Xmas day
Yes
NC Looking at the email: In last para you say not sure what next steps are, am shaken and..."

rebmacesrevda · 17/07/2025 17:03

I think this is the advert (from 2023) for GM's job. It says Head of Emergency Nursing, but it seems "Head" is interchangeable with "Director".
Band 8b; very high up the food chain (for whoever was feeling sorry for her!)
Scroll down the advert for the attached JD, which includes a basic organisational chart with other heads/ director on it.

https://apply.jobs.scot.nhs.uk/Job/JobDetail?JobId=173239

Head of Nursing - Emergency Care:NHS Fife

https://apply.jobs.scot.nhs.uk/Job/JobDetail?JobId=173239

Charabanc · 17/07/2025 17:03

MyAmpleSheep · 17/07/2025 16:22

@prh47bridge wrote this at the end of the last thread, and I thought it was interesting to respond to:

I really don't get this idea of TRAs saying that they don't know what sex they are because they haven't tested their chromosomes. They must know that a test of Upton's chromosomes would show he is male, which doesn't fit their argument. If chromosomes determine sex (which they do for everyone apart from the small minority with DSD), their fantasy fails.

I think the argument they would make is that by 'your' (The SC's) definition of sex, I can't be sure, because I haven't had my chromosomes tested. But by 'my' definition of sex, I am a woman and so is DU.

It's an attempted 'gotcha': the 'biological' definition of sex requires DNA testing which most people haven't had, therefore people who adopt that as in important aspect of sex (us) can't reliably say we're female or male. The best we can do is say "I think I'm female" so we must be relying on our feelings, therefore we must allow other people to rely on their feelings too, including DU.

People with DSDs are still male or female.

NebulousDog · 17/07/2025 17:05

Taken from AdvanceHE website (whatever that might be):
Vic Valentine is the Policy Officer at the Scottish Trans Alliance, Scotland’s national project working to improve trans equality and human rights. They are a non-binary activist who leads on Scottish Trans Alliance’s work with the gender based violence sector. They have been involved in trans/feminist activism and campaigning for several years, and are passionate about building a trans equality movement that is underpinned by feminist principles.

Perhaps they advise all the DEI officers in NHS Scotland

NextRinny · 17/07/2025 17:06

The whole chromosome dna testing nonsense annoys me.
Being transgender means your gender identity doesn't align with your sex.
The transgender person is fully aware of their sex if not they wouldn't be reporting a misalignment. Yet none of them have had dna tests!
But apparently this who are gait in their skin must have tests to know this elusive detail. Hypocrisy.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 17/07/2025 17:07

BettyBooper · 17/07/2025 17:02

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Day 2 | PM Session | Peggie Sandie v NHS Fife & Dr Upton

🔥 Confidentiality Collapsed, Safeguarding Side-Stepped: NHS Fife’s Leadership in Disarray

By the end of the afternoon, the tribunal had laid bare a pattern of procedural collapse, managerial confusion, and ideological rigidity. Gillian Malone, Director of Nursing at NHS Fife, returned to the stand- but this time, the focus was sharper. Under questioning from Naomi Cunningham KC and the tribunal panel itself, Malone’s role in the suspension of Sandy Peggie became both clearer and more troubling.

Confidentiality, supposedly a pillar of the disciplinary process, had not just eroded - it was weaponised. Documents showed that SP was not explicitly warned to keep quiet until months after her suspension. Meanwhile, senior NHS staff - including investigators and potential witnesses - were openly emailing one another, sharing statements, and circulating details about the case. Consultants were briefed on SP’s version of events before an investigation had even begun.

Malone could not explain it. She agreed that this was not how it should have been handled. But once again, she claimed detachment from responsibility: the decisions weren’t hers. She hadn’t seen key documents until the tribunal bundle. She didn’t recall appointing investigators. She didn’t know why months passed between telling AG to investigate and the process actually starting.

Yet the fallout from these decisions was undeniable. SP had told managers she felt isolated - colleagues had been told not to speak to her. The environment had become, in her words, humiliating and intimidating. But Malone, when pressed, downgraded the situation to merely “awkward.”

It wasn’t just the process that had failed. It was the principle. SP had raised a concern about a male colleague - Dr Beth Upton - using the female-only changing room. Rather than accommodate her rights, NHS Fife tried to silence her. An internal email from Lottie Miles showed that managers sought to prevent SP from referring to Upton as “he” or “man”—language entirely in line with her protected belief that sex is real and relevant. Malone insisted this wasn’t an attempt to suppress GC views, but the effect was unmistakable: SP was gagged, while Upton was shielded.

The panel drilled down into the authority structure. If Malone wasn’t responsible, who was? She admitted her job included governance, complaints, and adverse events - yet she’d left the core of the investigation to a junior colleague, Esther Davidson, who had only just taken on her post. Even then, there was no documentation, no clarity on timelines, no evidence of proper risk assessments before the decision to suspend.

In a moment of rhetorical clarity, Cunningham posed a hypothetical: if a male employee walked in on a woman changing, that would be sexual harassment. If he installed a camera, unquestionably so. But what if he said, “I’m a woman now” - would that change the reality of the intrusion? Even Malone agreed: it shouldn’t. And yet that is precisely what NHS Fife allowed. Because DU said he was a woman, female staff were told to accommodate him - or face sanction.

Asked whether DU’s behaviour on Christmas Eve constituted sexual harassment, Malone’s answer was damning: “No. It was SP who behaved unprofessionally.”

It was a chilling inversion. The woman who raised a safeguarding concern became the problem. The man whose presence triggered discomfort became the protected party. The institution wrapped it all in DEI compliance and left fairness behind.

Today’s testimony didn’t just expose administrative error. It revealed an NHS leadership culture where policy replaces judgment, where belief in biological sex is suspect, and where women who speak up face censure - not support.

The tribunal continues. But after this, the question is not whether NHS Fife followed process. It’s whether the process itself is fit for women at all.

Consultants were briefed on SP’s version of events before an investigation had even begun.

Wasn't it DU's vesion of events that they were briefed about?

Waitwhat23 · 17/07/2025 17:08

myplace · 17/07/2025 17:00

So this was for @Waitwhat23 * *in case that tag works better.

Hmm, I'll have a wee think about best way to do it - good idea!

SternJoyousBee · 17/07/2025 17:10

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Day 2 | PM Session | Peggie Sandie v NHS Fife & Dr Upton

🔥 Confidentiality Collapsed, Safeguarding Side-Stepped: NHS Fife’s Leadership in Disarray

By the end of the afternoon, the tribunal had laid bare a pattern of procedural collapse, managerial confusion, and ideological rigidity. Gillian Malone, Director of Nursing at NHS Fife, returned to the stand- but this time, the focus was sharper. Under questioning from Naomi Cunningham KC and the tribunal panel itself, Malone’s role in the suspension of Sandy Peggie became both clearer and more troubling.

Confidentiality, supposedly a pillar of the disciplinary process, had not just eroded - it was weaponised. Documents showed that SP was not explicitly warned to keep quiet until months after her suspension. Meanwhile, senior NHS staff - including investigators and potential witnesses - were openly emailing one another, sharing statements, and circulating details about the case. Consultants were briefed on SP’s version of events before an investigation had even begun.

Malone could not explain it. She agreed that this was not how it should have been handled. But once again, she claimed detachment from responsibility: the decisions weren’t hers. She hadn’t seen key documents until the tribunal bundle. She didn’t recall appointing investigators. She didn’t know why months passed between telling AG to investigate and the process actually starting.

Yet the fallout from these decisions was undeniable. SP had told managers she felt isolated - colleagues had been told not to speak to her. The environment had become, in her words, humiliating and intimidating. But Malone, when pressed, downgraded the situation to merely “awkward.”

It wasn’t just the process that had failed. It was the principle. SP had raised a concern about a male colleague - Dr Beth Upton - using the female-only changing room. Rather than accommodate her rights, NHS Fife tried to silence her. An internal email from Lottie Miles showed that managers sought to prevent SP from referring to Upton as “he” or “man”—language entirely in line with her protected belief that sex is real and relevant. Malone insisted this wasn’t an attempt to suppress GC views, but the effect was unmistakable: SP was gagged, while Upton was shielded.

The panel drilled down into the authority structure. If Malone wasn’t responsible, who was? She admitted her job included governance, complaints, and adverse events - yet she’d left the core of the investigation to a junior colleague, Esther Davidson, who had only just taken on her post. Even then, there was no documentation, no clarity on timelines, no evidence of proper risk assessments before the decision to suspend.

In a moment of rhetorical clarity, Cunningham posed a hypothetical: if a male employee walked in on a woman changing, that would be sexual harassment. If he installed a camera, unquestionably so. But what if he said, “I’m a woman now” - would that change the reality of the intrusion? Even Malone agreed: it shouldn’t. And yet that is precisely what NHS Fife allowed. Because DU said he was a woman, female staff were told to accommodate him - or face sanction.

Asked whether DU’s behaviour on Christmas Eve constituted sexual harassment, Malone’s answer was damning: “No. It was SP who behaved unprofessionally.”

It was a chilling inversion. The woman who raised a safeguarding concern became the problem. The man whose presence triggered discomfort became the protected party. The institution wrapped it all in DEI compliance and left fairness behind.

Today’s testimony didn’t just expose administrative error. It revealed an NHS leadership culture where policy replaces judgment, where belief in biological sex is suspect, and where women who speak up face censure - not support.

The tribunal continues. But after this, the question is not whether NHS Fife followed process. It’s whether the process itself is fit for women at all.

Is NC a KC now?

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