NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #28

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

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I’d speculate many of them were about allyship and celebration/validation.

And I can’t write “allyship” without thinking of The Big Ship Sails Down The Ally-ally-o.

I've just checked and it looks like nobody has re-recorded La Bamba with her name in it yet. I'm shocked! Hopefully by the morning...

Perhaps the stately homes threads hold the record.

HR told the medical team (A&E, nursing?) not to be so daft as to suspend a highly experienced nurse who was prepared to do night shifts but they went ahead anyway.

I imagine he's lying on the floor, laughing so hard he can't speak, let alone sing.

During part 1 someone pointed out that DU seemed to have done a lot of their placements very close to home and this was unusual. Like they’d had special considerations?

I still can’t get my head around the fact that there are admin jobs in the NHS where you can command a 50K salary without comparable, significant, experience. Essentially your first job. It’s madness and wasteful. Who decides and sets these job specs in the first place!?

Omg I was away for a few days and have missed almost 2 whole threads!!!

I won't be able to go back and read them all but I was happy to read on bbc earlier that Sandie's misconduct charges were (quite rightly) dismissed.

That song's been stuck in my head all day! 😂

I am from a very different area of the nhs but cronyism and nepotism is rife. It’s not about what you know…. Some at the top think they own it. In each of the individual trusts.

crikey, I turn my back for half a day and there's a misgendering

shocking behaviour

thanks for the thread, required reading

I have no knowledge but if IB doesn’t have a close relative somewhere at the top of the leadership i would be very surprised. Similar to BU. I’m obviously just guessing though :-)

That would be the nub of the entire tribunal so, since SP has now been exonerated of misconduct allegations. I think!

Tomorrow's witness is the manager of the nursing A+E (I think), so it should make for another very interesting day at the tribunal.

The Vic is a training hospital and I think it's the case that they get students and graduates from three Scottish med faculties. Fife's a small place, so you're never really that far from home if you work there.

Any time that I'm at the Vic I see numerous trainee nurses wearing uniforms giving their designation as students from Dundee. (Can't remember how trainee doctors are identified - maybe via ID badges.) Once they're newly qualified, I think the docs just have the same ID badges as the rest of the regular staff.

I've tried Googling, but can only find specific reference to Lothian NHS Foundation Doctors being placed in Fife.

You know you're batshit insane when you make HR look sensible.

Head of Nursing Gillian Malone is up next. Authorised both investigation procedures, and NC will interrogate the stop startiness. Hopefully Gillian will be more fluent in describing her own contribution to the shambles than Poor Isla who just didn't know enough about anything to say very much today.

I’d like to request a facepalm emoji 🤦‍♀️. How I used to get through the day without these I do not know.

Sweepstake on whether Gillian Malone can correctly identify her own sex?

Euan mccolm AT euanmccolm
I feel that if Naomi Cunningham asked me what I had for lunch, I’d confess to a murder I didn’t commit.

Slightly off topic, but how do you hide threads? I've been following all of these and am so awed by sandies bravery in fighting this nonsense but getting sick of the constant shit threads started on FWR by Bee, Aida etc and would like to know how to hide them. I use the browser for mumsnet on my phone so mabye via the app?

For quite a long time, I've been mentally adding a W for these people.

Unfortunately I've had to start a new thread now. My broadband's gone very wonky and at the same time trying to access MN is giving me a message from Cloudflare that I'm being rate limited and they're preventing me accessing this site. I've broken through just now but that problem might return.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5374921-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-29

🤣🤣🤣. One of my faves of the day.