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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 12:57

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

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Szygy · 10/02/2025 15:10

I can’t even begin to imagine how many hours and hours and hours and hours and hours DU's family will have had to hear all this being gone over again and again and again and again in the last couple of years. At length. Ad nauseam.

It's probably enough to stun anyone into compliance, I guess.

eulittleb831 · 10/02/2025 15:10

Signalbox · 10/02/2025 15:07

We're not supposed to share the link.

The link is meaningless without the PIN

miIIicant · 10/02/2025 15:10

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/02/2025 15:06

@miIIicant you just use the email part of that so Edinburghet@

oh thank you. I was copying and pasting.

CarefulN0w · 10/02/2025 15:10

I think his Dad in particular has looked uncomfortable and quite closed in. Well I say his Dad, obviously I have old fashioned beliefs about how babies are made.

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/02/2025 15:10

SP didn't wait she was trying to get out of blood stained clothing

Hoardasurass · 10/02/2025 15:10

Oh dear his grany is intimidating to him the poor flower 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Signalbox · 10/02/2025 15:10

eulittleb831 · 10/02/2025 15:10

The link is meaningless without the PIN

So don't share it. It's against the court rules. It's been deleted now so problem solved.

ILikeDungs · 10/02/2025 15:10

She could just have left. And stayed silent.

ickky · 10/02/2025 15:10

eulittleb831 · 10/02/2025 15:10

The link is meaningless without the PIN

STOP SHARING THE LINK, THAT IS AN ORDER FROM THE COURT ITSELF.

SpinUp2 · 10/02/2025 15:10

Do you have to give your name when requesting access to the live streaming?

WhatIsCorndogs · 10/02/2025 15:10

CarefulN0w · 10/02/2025 15:10

I think his Dad in particular has looked uncomfortable and quite closed in. Well I say his Dad, obviously I have old fashioned beliefs about how babies are made.

I think you mean "presents as a dad" x

RaspberryScrubs · 10/02/2025 15:11

eulittleb831 · 10/02/2025 15:10

The link is meaningless without the PIN

Maybe so but still, please would you comply with the request to not share the link, thank you.

Largofesse · 10/02/2025 15:11

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 15:06

You’ve got an extra it might be the forward slash at the end that’s causing the issue

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/02/2025 15:11

You don't need to use your name most people are using initials etc

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 15:11

SpinUp2 · 10/02/2025 15:10

Do you have to give your name when requesting access to the live streaming?

I'm down as Boiledbeetle to the court!

murasaki · 10/02/2025 15:12

WhatIsCorndogs · 10/02/2025 15:10

I think you mean "presents as a dad" x

Hes probably been so rail roaded by his zealot son that he defines as a non binary second cousin these days.

I'd define as going no contact and moving abroad.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/02/2025 15:12

Right off to do the school runs for the beings i grew in my body BECAUSE I'M FEMALE. Leaving you all to 1984. Please try and report back and i'll catch up later.

mzdemeanour · 10/02/2025 15:12

SpinUp2 · 10/02/2025 15:10

Do you have to give your name when requesting access to the live streaming?

You can create a burner email to request access and don't have to use your real name when signing in to the tribunal online

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/02/2025 15:12

SpinUp2 · 10/02/2025 15:10

Do you have to give your name when requesting access to the live streaming?

Just watch this thread.......it is easier.

Iamnotalemming · 10/02/2025 15:12

SidewaysOtter · 10/02/2025 15:05

You know in the Lemmings game you could set them so they put their heads in their hands, shook from side to side then exploded?

That's largely where I am, listening to "I'm a 28 year old WOMAN".

Regardless of the actual measurements, sunshine, the fact is that you were significantly larger, stronger and younger and it's as disingenuous as fuck to pretend otherwise.

Enjoying the Lemmings reference and completely agree.

He is unbelievably smug and smirking at NC. Makes me feel sick.

Edited for typo.

MarieDeGournay · 10/02/2025 15:12

RaspberryScrubs · 10/02/2025 15:11

Maybe so but still, please would you comply with the request to not share the link, thank you.

Some clever clogs worked out how to post in big big fonts. it looks like we need DO NOT SHARE THE LINK in big big letters...

CriticalCondition · 10/02/2025 15:13

Now he's calling Sandie aggressive.

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/02/2025 15:13

Do we know what the email said yet?

FriedGold32 · 10/02/2025 15:13

You might not want to refer to dictionary definitions Beth but I'd quite like to start.

GCITC · 10/02/2025 15:13

Dr Upton now happy to reference the dictionary, but seemingly disagrees with its definition of biological sex.

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