NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #7

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

@BonerOfContention It was Allison Bailey's tribunal. Judge Goodman ran a tight ship.

Mainly complaints from observers about the sound quality/no sound/the sound of (NC) typing

Thank you, yes

Judge Goodman. What a woman she was!

Don't worry - I'll confine chat to the thread! Also will have screen turned off so I can eye-roll in peace...

Was it the Edinburgh Rape Crisis one, Harpy? Plus I seem to remember whichever one it was had a clerk who seemed very beleaguered and defensive - obviously DID NOT want to be managing a case with so much public interest.

Let's not forget the wonderful Martin Reuby, who was as sharp as a tack. 📌

And let's not forget the cat! Heard throughout the hearing, generally just before the lunch break.

We did ask to see the cat at the end of the hearing, to which the judge obliged.

Was Judge Goodman the one with a cat? I liked her. 😊

Placemarking. Non working day so I might have a chance of following this one.

There's been a fair amount of shenanigans from the other side. Friday's strop about only one security guard is the most egregious. And the security guards escort DU out at the end of sessions.

Just speculating: several theories.

• The disclosure has been insufficient over the weekend, NC on the warpath, JR fighting a rear guard action.
• DU has realised that their interests may not be aligned with R1 and possibly wants separate counsel
• DU refusing to appear wants to do the remainder via video, NC on the warpath

Cross post!

I will NOT chat in the chat function 🤣

Has DU turned up to court?

The cat walked across the judge's desk during one session. I reported it in the tweets.

I need to know more about this. A workplace cat or the judge’s own cat?

Had to log back in. Auto logged out.

The trouble with NHS "transitioning at work" policies is that they've all been written by activists. Some of them are unbelievably bonkers. Most of them give trans people free rein to chose which showers / changing facilities to use and give zero consideration to the women already using those facilities. It's really quite shocking.

Come on! Im down to my last chocolate egg!!

Good question. He’s in a difficult position if he doesn’t show up, as he’s a named respondent himself.

Hope he’s had a terrible weekend, the poor delicate little flower

Surely more arguments about insufficient disclosure would be public, given that they have been up to now? Whereas I think a need for new counsel etc might be more privileged... IANAL though.

Go buy some more. You’ve probably got time to do that and get back before it starts. Online delivery of some?

I didn’t dial into that one - it must have been Phoenix & OU. “JUSTIN!!”

Also admire Judge Goodman. Allison’s hearing being conducted online gave us all excellent views as the people speaking looked directly at the camera. It was excellent.

Mmmm, chocolate egg! Have you seen the one Terry's chocolate orange are making. That is on my shopping list this week 🤤

Judge's cat. Still on Covid protocols, everyone was remote.

Well, I clicked the chat sidebar to the left to give me full screen and it logged me out. (Back in now).

Was that coincidence, does anyone know?

'Cos I'd like the best view 😊