NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #7

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Sorry if you've already said this to him, but surely the obvious answer is that men as a sex class are far more easily able to physically defend themselves against other men than women are.

I made a mug of tea and a carb filled breakfast so I could have it while watching at 10:00. All gone now. It’s going to be a high snack day….

Eleanor Frances, the Civil Service settlement is on Woman's Hour now!

Thanks everyone- ended up having to join with video+ audio (observer was leading to blank screen) but shut off my camera

I naively thought we'd be off to a quick start today and would be in before 1015.

So now I'm going to sat 1028

@NoBinturongsHereMate I have a small pile of hand sewing on the go. May as well do something useful whilst observing. Pretty sure I'll be stabbing myself with the needle at some point when nonsense occurs!
DH is on coffee duty and I've already opened the biscuits; oops

Patiently waiting, it's been a while since I've been able to watch one of these and I can only spare today. Me and some colleagues have been slowly but surely chipping away at our bonkers EDI policies at work and it's been quite a journey.

Yes thanks. Aswell

Have they ever actually started on time? Hardly very professional or a good look for the Courts.

@rightsraptor I'm with you, I'm doing the 5:2 diet and today's a fast day... 😬

I received my link this morning, is everyone else WFTCHTJing?

Sorry, thats on me!! I was planning on waiting until the first break but got impatient. I've been doing fasting too but today is my first off day in weeks so perhaps overdoing it.

It will have started with legal discussions between judge and lawyers

Has anyone managed to find this formal policy which existed in 2023 which explained how NHS Fife assessed "on a case by case basis" how those who were not born biological females were given permission to use the female CR?

Because if they can't provide that policy then they can't deny SP's claim that they permitted Dr U to harass her (and other staff) by using the CR - which is a breach of EHR

Have I got that right?

Wonder if they are having another argument about documents...

I don't think they've ever started on time in this tribunal. Of course they may be having legal discussions we are not allowed to hear

Does anything happen in the chat function? Seems an odd feature to have here…

Chat function is to communicate with the clerk. Chatting in there is frowned upon.

Are we still WFTCHTJ?

They've used it in previous cases to provide links I think. And to tell people off (give instructions)

Does anyone remember that very strict J -- was it Maya's case? She was always spot on time, and miffed if others were not. Kept a tight ship! Very impressive.

Yes, whatever you do DO NOT chat in the chat function... 😂

WFTCHTJ.

which tribunal was it where they only allowed about 40 observers online as they said the system was not able to cope with that many users at once?

i think this tribunal proves that the IT is well able to cope with more users, and the previous issue was due to the burden on the clerks to monitor the IT.

It's to highlight problems in accessing the livestream, audio/video quality, that kind of thing @Swashbuckled but occasionally some people go beyond that. That's not a good idea.

@KnottyAuty Not quite if Michael Foran is correct. Even if they had a policy, according to Michael, it would be subject to the law- which states SS changing rooms are a legal requirement at work.