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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #7

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nauticant · 08/02/2025 15:40

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

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Gallstoned · 10/02/2025 10:30

I'm on my fifth banana...come on

SidewaysOtter · 10/02/2025 10:30

Justabaker · 10/02/2025 10:25

There's been a fair amount of shenanigans from the other side. Friday's strop about only one security guard is the most egregious. And the security guards escort DU out at the end of sessions.

Just speculating: several theories.

  • The disclosure has been insufficient over the weekend, NC on the warpath, JR fighting a rear guard action.
  • DU has realised that their interests may not be aligned with R1 and possibly wants separate counsel
  • DU refusing to appear wants to do the remainder via video, NC on the warpath

The emotional support animals haven't been delivered?

If, to pluck out an entirely hypothetical situation, you realised you'd been thrown under the bus in terms of serious yet allegations to which you'd given your support and such accusations were at best unsubstantiated and at worst demonstrably false, you'd need an entire fucking support zoo.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/02/2025 10:30

That's like a Dr Seuss poem.

I will not chat in the chat function.
I'll wear a hat in the chat function.
I will not be flat in the chat function.
I'll be a cat in the chat function.

SelfPortraitWithHagstone · 10/02/2025 10:30

I reckon it's something like the cleaner has moved the chairs over the weekend and now they're running around the building trying to find more...

FigRollsAlly · 10/02/2025 10:30

Thanks all for the ongoing commentary for those of us unable to watch live. Very envious of you all, especially those all prepped with snacks!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 10/02/2025 10:31

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/02/2025 10:25

Let's not forget the wonderful Martin Reuby, who was as sharp as a tack. 📌

Martin Reuby was bloody brilliant. Too much to hope that he's a third (off-screen) panel member? We could do with some of his laser focus.

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 10:31

SelfPortraitWithHagstone · 10/02/2025 10:28

Surely more arguments about insufficient disclosure would be public, given that they have been up to now? Whereas I think a need for new counsel etc might be more privileged... IANAL though.

Hopefully they are busy printing lots of copies for everyone's bundles

GCITC · 10/02/2025 10:31

FeralWoman · 10/02/2025 10:26

I need to know more about this. A workplace cat or the judge’s own cat?

Had to log back in. Auto logged out.

The judges own. Back when everything was online and everyone was logging in from home. She apologised more than once for the mournful cries we could hear in the background.

RaspberryScrubs · 10/02/2025 10:31

Placenarking, stupid work interfering , humph.

GCITC · 10/02/2025 10:32

Justabaker · 10/02/2025 10:26

The cat walked across the judge's desk during one session. I reported it in the tweets.

At least it didn't stick its bumhole in the camera like mine did last week!

ickky · 10/02/2025 10:33

I have just put the oven on to cook Pecan Maple Danish. I bet it's cooled enough to eat by the the time we get in.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 10/02/2025 10:33

Gallstoned · 10/02/2025 10:30

I'm on my fifth banana...come on

Propose 'on my fifth banana' replaces 'final straw'/'end of tether'

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 10:34

ickky · 10/02/2025 10:33

I have just put the oven on to cook Pecan Maple Danish. I bet it's cooled enough to eat by the the time we get in.

Yum! I haven't eaten anything yet 😓

Cerialkiller · 10/02/2025 10:34

FeralWoman · 10/02/2025 10:28

Go buy some more. You’ve probably got time to do that and get back before it starts. Online delivery of some?

I'd just crash on the way in my haste.

Its all part of the experience!

NotMaroonButRaspberry · 10/02/2025 10:34

This is unbearable. My first meeting finished a bit early so I skipped to the link to find only WFTCHTJ (now available on my predicted text options!)

I have my next meeting at 11 - it's torture!

Swashbuckled · 10/02/2025 10:35

God, I'm so bored and hungry 😫

TervenAcademicals · 10/02/2025 10:35

Bacon sammich here 😋

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 10:36

Now I want a pecan maple danish...!

nauticant · 10/02/2025 10:36

If you log in and end up waiting an hour you then get automatically logged out so if you're suddenly logged out, don't worry, just log in again.

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Gallstoned · 10/02/2025 10:36

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 10:36

Now I want a pecan maple danish...!

me too

Signalbox · 10/02/2025 10:36

If there are issues behind the scenes (that are related to case management) I'm surprised they don't open proceedings and get it all on record before adjourning for an hour so that everything can be sorted out.

Swashbuckled · 10/02/2025 10:36

I have a snickers bar in the cupboard. Just had breakfast, but needs must.

PoshCoffee · 10/02/2025 10:37

My support cat has got bored and wandered off. I can’t blame her really

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 10:37

TervenAcademicals · 10/02/2025 10:35

Bacon sammich here 😋

I had mine at about 9.30. I'm regretting that decision now.

I wish they'd hurry up otherwise I'll hit the one hour waiting and end up at the back of the queue to get in!

Grrrr. It just happened, but I'm back in WFTCHTJ

Justabaker · 10/02/2025 10:37

Mr Baker had a chiropractor's appointment at 10 am. 30 minutes, 10 minutes away. He's bringing me a coffee afterwards. Who's betting I have drunk that coffee before we get past WFTCHTJ?

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