NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #40

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38
Thread 39: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378747-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-39

Surely only the barristers. If witnesses can't follow the hearing in the news, how would they be allowed to see the bundles. And surely Searle would have known about the HCA and that her emails had been found if this was the case.

Do we think that DU has had a hissy fit to his legal team about all the "misgendering" by witnesses? - JR seems to be interrupting for pronouns a lot in the past 24 hours

Exactly sex is a protected characteristic. Why would females legally be expected to humour males in single sex facilities?

was DU trying to get AG on his team by meeting up to discuss the notes? A bit like the email group..?

Too late. Deadline has passed. RT heading of the thread.

To clear up confusion - solicitors and barrister, panel see the bundle - witnesses a big No.

I’m wearing mine right now!

? is nursing considered a working class profession in the UK? I'm surprised, not my experience of nurses.

I think she’s just trying to interrupt the flow of some damaging cross examination.

JR at it again

Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinge

Mostly grammar 😶

Who first used the word 'close' - the witness, or a journalist?

Fuck what? I only turned my back a few seconds to put the kettle on, and this happens!

You have to travel back in time to the 9 July and ask for it.

KS was DU's clinical supervisor (ie responsible for overseeing his clinical work but also some responsibility for supporting him with any work-related wellbeing issues) so she would have had one on one meetings with him in this role and he would know her better than the other consultants he worked with.

I wonder if JR's sudden interventions about pronouns are to give her side the (slim) possibility of a basis for an appeal.

DU is notably very successful at getting women “on his team”.

Bare minimum would be not bullying an employee and providing her with single sex spaces as per her legal right, surely?

More wittering from JR regarding Upton being called a man.

How Cunningham doesn't scream "WOULD YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU GENDER LOON" is testament to her self-control, because I'd have imploded by now.

I believe MNHQ asked during the first round of the ET that we refrain from discussing Upton's family as it is not fair to them.

Oh no! What a shame. They should simply live stream it IMO.

Thanks anyway.

It's the first time I've done it this way, but it's all completely normal procedure

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It's not a working class professional per se (I know a very very middle class psychiatric nurse) but it's not held as high in status as doctor within the field and the point is that SP's background is working class and Upton's isn't.

It's a working class female nurse against a middle class male doctor.

Or a Pickfords lorry.

Mooovin’ on up! Because that’s what will happen, not sideways, not demotion, but a quick upwards boost, somewhere.

JR really playing to the TRA gallery today