NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #40

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38
Thread 39: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378747-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-39

Is AG confirming that the patient safety issues were in fact not the reason/justification for the suspension as is claimed, if the first she’s hearing of them is months down the line?

Was she the one that was always off sick?

Seems to have been.

I've lost my connection and can't get back in at the moment 😔 Normally they've been very quick at readmitting people

Oh, it's a long, long while from May to December
But the days grow short when you reach September
When the autumn weather turns the leaves to flame
One hasn't got time for the waiting game

michele sinclair farrow, hr colleague offsickalot of Hamilton

Was SP back at work (on weekend days) at this point? I thought she returned in April 2024 but I may be misremembering.

MSF - Mechelle Sinclair-Forrow

And on full pay 😂

They need a timeline chart.

See the emails in here: https://x.com/lesbianpersist/status/1948073440239395069

from herald
10:59am
Ms Russell continues to push Ms Glancey on her investigation and the earlier drafts. There are some questions over the bundle and dates.

Which complete contradicts Fife's insane statement last which. The one that declared 'it wasn't just about changing rooms, the suspension was due to patient safety incidents'

JR - correspondence with DU 8th Sept, about?
AG - diff of opinion over whether DU washing hands then got changed, it came up in conv with SP, asked DU for version of events

I've actually heard it said seriously - this is in public sector settings following Stonewall law - that if you enter the ladies, see a TW and immediately leave, that could be an act of discrimination. So the only way to be safe is to comply with what the TW wants.

It will take a long time to shift the public sector.

from herald
11:01am
Ms Glancey is asked how she deals with conflicting accounts in her investigation, she says she has used her "own expertise and knowledge" and that it's a "balance of probabilities".

I think dear DU included part of it in his submission to the GMC. With friends like that…

Or a really short time after a massive tribunal payout and mass sackings. We can hope.

JR - you not produced first time round, but first to Adam watson email. Please note, C rep said no need for admin emails
AG - before Feb, I thought it meant letters, emails btwn me and MSF, but not administrative emails, diary commitments, trying to get meetings in

JR trying to 'explain' missing emails?

Fuck me this is the most depressing thing I’ve read today. I work in the public sector and I can see this happening.

Because the world is so mad these days, I won't be convinced SP has this in the bag until I hear the ruling.

It's so ridiculous. All about not making the T person feel uncomfortable- nobody cares if a woman feels uncomfortable.

They're trying to restrict our freedom to leave a room now?

The evidence of Peter Donaldson will be interesting if he talks about this.

The implications if she does not are chilling