NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #38

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37

Oh Lord, someone's woken up.

Something is happening - screen changed for remote viewers.

In but patchy - the auto voice keeps saying WFTCHTJ
Can see Naomi but noone else

Let’s not allow this thread to be derailed, as per advice from @nauticant yesterday.

Sorry @nauticant I should know better

Nowt for me.

Now, do I start my Duolingo? That triggered things yesterday

Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Looks like things are happening. Just in time for lunch.

I had to organise a staff survey, sex, education etc and it included sexuality. A member of staff spent ages debating whether she was a lesbian or not because her husband had ‘transitioned’.
I asked if she got divorced whether she would date woman, she said no, so we put heterosexual down. It’s insanity.
her husband ‘transitioned’ realised he still looked like a middle aged man, quit working and hardly left the house. I felt so sorry for her.

TWIX just decided to suggest I follow NHSF - couldn't help but be amused by the irony of their tag line...... (PS image is tagged as "sensitive" by MN software - it's just a screenshot of their account details 🤷🏼‍♀️)

Most lesbians support and accept trans people.

At long last

IN

I've got sound and visuals.

Only NC in the tribunal room atm

Welcome to my parlour!

Maybe there's some composing going on outside?

Is that her line or his I wonder? I can only imagine the fraught environment at their home. Poor woman, although maybe she doesn’t want my sympathy.

I’ve often mused on the curse of my heterosexuality, thinking how nice life would be if I could only get over my fancying men. And yet who knew? All I had to do was to persuade my DP to pop on a bit of lippy and boom, we are a happy lesbian couple! I’m going to tackle this tonight when he gets in from work.

do you have robust and impartial statistics on this? For reasons i know a lot of lesbians and none of them date TW, none of them think TW are women, and most of them are aghast at the homophobia coming from TRAs. Many who were Be Kind early on are deeply regretting the support they gave them.

And I'm in. Empty room at present

Wise words @nauticant

FGS, sit on your hands if tempted to respond. Think of poor Nauticant.

Now my earworm is I will sit right down, waiting for the gift of sound and vision

Now NC has gone!

<abandon all hope ye who enter here>