NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #38

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37

You sent me to bed laughing last night Tandora, and here we are again. Honestly you should be on the stage!

Every lesbian I know dates women exclusively and don’t entertain the thought of trans identifying men.

Yet apparently Madras College which certainly wasn’t middle class 20 years ago!

Do not give deflectors what they want, at least not while important stuff is ongoing. There's a reason it didn't start until today's proceedings did.

Fife Leader, staunin by!

Nothing on TT as yet.

>>>> threed tae indulge disruptatron's www.gettae.com/weseeyou.htm

Someone tweet Foran and to say that the sound is still live in the hearing room

Well... aye sure you'd put your kids in Wade Academy if you had £££ but Madras just by demographics was far naicer than the run-of-the-mill Fife HS, for example Auchmuty HS, Glenrothes HS, Kirkcaldy HS, Bell Baxter HS. None of which were terrible, but yer basic cooncil school.

sorry this was at @Brefugee

This , for example, is a survey of over 3.5 thousand younger people ages - 18-25

*Lesbians are the most supportive of trans people
Of all LGBT+ identities, other than trans and non-binary people themselves, lesbian young adults were most likely to say they know a trans person (92%), and most likely to say they are “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people (96%).
In comparison, 89% of LGBT+ people overall said they were “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people, and just 69% of non-LGBT+ people said the same. *

KS will have been sitting in some waiting room stewing for over an hour. Poor lass.

While we are waiting..

https://x.com/boswelltoday/status/1947899353554722910

early lunch till 1.15 - TT

My earworm is Blue 'all rise'.

Aw! Naomi all ready to go on her lonesome!

lol do you really think I organise my day around the discussion of employment tribunals on mumsnet threads?

I've got "Show a little respect, tooooooo meeeeeeee!"

Which is ironic, in the circs 😄

I'm supportive of quite a few people. Doesn't mean I'd want to shag them.

So they're out to lunch!

Literally!

Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

If you asked me (a lesbian) if I know and support transpeople, I'd say yes too, and I'm GC as they come.

Of course, if you asked me if transwomen should be supported to access single-sex female spaces, I'd say no, and I think most of the polls show that most people would answer similarly to me when that question is asked.

No. there is still a steady hand at the helm... I mean, keyboard.

Oh god I just put the oven timer on for 25 mins. I hope they start soon so things wont be too ruined by the break. I knew I should have cracked out the airfryer!

They call it “nothing about us without us,” which sounds reasonable until you realise that they mean they call the shots and everyone else’s needs are secondary.

One of the comments to TT has a nice photo of Sandie going into the ET about 30 minutes ago (Iain Masterton at about 12:58). Kate isn't smiling this morning.

Presumably they'll be breaking for lunch soon (or do you think they had all just sneaked out to the local 'Spoons for a slap-up breakfast)?

Is support the same thing as attraction?
Lesbians are women sexually attracted to women otherwise they're not lesbians.

"disruptatron" 😆

If everyone stops engaging with a certain poster, they will hopefully l get bored and go to the thread that was set up for them.

Personally I don't want to see this thread taken over again with TRA arguments. I hope others feel the same and respond accordingly.