NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #28

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
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I have a trans child. I can say that he (was she) did not expect to be treated as a man while they still had a vag.
You are calling a woman bigoted because she objected to a biological man insisting on using a female changing room.
So would it still be okay for a man to share a changing room if a practising Muslim had objected? Would you call the Muslim lady bigoted?

Oops. I meant to write TRA as in trans rights activist but TA for trans ally would fit.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

😂

Just what I needed to go with the champagne. Thanks, mate!

Hide away. Perish the thought you might have to confront biological reality. Have a good evening.

Is it too early for whisky?

Wow, the tantrums when the men don't get what they want are quite something 😱

@Tangfastic71 are you interested in learning where you're factually wrong in what you've written, or does that not matter to you?

Impossible to say. Time is a nebulous concept.

Want a cigar and a yacht to go with it?

Do you think that guy is the same one who did the "shame, shame" stuff after the SC judgment like a crap Game of Thrones character? I do hope so. If so, that was just a warm up and the absolute gold is yet to come.

They already know the truth. They just don't like it. That's why they're furious 😂

Some have already had a lot of w(h)ine

That doctor then whined because the nurse waited outside until the doctor had finished before going in to use the changing room herself.

I also wonder if the Trust would have reacted in the same way if the trans person had been a nurse...

On another site I once had that conversation. Someone told me they wouldn't believe me unless I produced the actual figures.

So I gave them the actual figures. Now they wanted to know where I got them from, otherwise I must've just made them up.

So I gave them the link & told them the figures were produced by the UK Ministry of Justice. I've won, I thought, I'm going to convince them.

They came back & said they refused to look at the linked data because it was produced by a Tory government.😂🙄

Never argue with a fool: anyone who sees you will just think, 'Oh look, it's two fools arguing.'😁

I thought that was remarkable. IB said "there was no policy" as if it should be considered a defence. She seemed clueless to the idea that while there was nothing in writing, by her actions and advice, she created the defacto policy which was used. Her teflon suit is really wearing thin

I’ve read some performative bollocks in my time

and now I’m gonna spout some non informed virtue signalling bullshit and then hide this thread so no one can upset me with facts

the irony is high with this one

Ah, I did wonder about the stenographers. We haven't seen them before.

And a huge thank you to you and the team at TT for your top work.

NC needs to call random internet seether Tangfastic who insists there was one!

I suspect that there are quite a few seething misogynists who have been squatting on this thread (and previous ones) desperately angry that women are actually allowed to discuss this. It's only the particularly dim ones who beclown themselves by scolding us while showing absolutely zero awareness or knowledge of what is being discussed in the courtroom.

I'll be drinking my fizz tonight with a rounding cheer of 'women won't wheesht'

Slainte!

😂😂😂😂😂😂

You do know that can get you into trouble. Look at Lizzie Pitt.
My favourite headline from her case...
Cambridgeshire County Council to Pay £63,000 in Compensation After ‘Gender-Fluid Dachshund’ Dispute

You couldn’t find the right side of history with a SatNav

Quote of the day, on a day of stuff competition.

Gorgeous. Ointment for that burn, NHS Fife?

A highly qualified doctor -

Odd description for a newly qualified inexperienced doctor

Hello Beth 😁