NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #27

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions wereFri provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14
Thread 15: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273119-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-15
Thread 16: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273636-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-16
Thread 17: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273827-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-17
Thread 18: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274332-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-18
Thread 19: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274571-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-19
Thread 20: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5275782-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-20
Thread 21: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5276925-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-21
Thread 22: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5280174-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-22
Thread 23: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5285690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-23
Thread 24: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5301295-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-24
Thread 25: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5318518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-25
Thread 26: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5335861-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-26

I haven't heard anything and I'm not holding my breath either. I'm assuming now that I haven't been granted access and I'll follow on here and.via TT

I tried to apply early for a access (end of June) and received this response after a day or so:

At present the Tribunal will not be providing links to observe the hearing in the above case. Information on how to observe the hearing will be made available in due course. The Tribunal asks that you request a link closer to the time of the hearing. The above case hearing will be resumed on 16th July 2025.

I was heartened that it wasn’t a flat out no - made a further request last night so will see what happens..

Just caught up with the end of the last thread 🧵.

Thanks @nauticant for the new one and everyone else for your commentary.

Good luck Sandie. Hope you're doing ok and not too nervous we are all behind you.

Thanks @nauticant for the new thread. I'll be relying on the threads to keep up, that will be some bedtime reading this week.

The details for online access are usually sent out quite close to the hearing date, and as no one has reported getting theirs yet I wouldn’t assume too much about not hearing back.

I haven't had a response about viewing yet but I guess they may go out today?

🤣

Thanks in advance everyone who updates the thread. Everything crossed.

Late response to this from thread 26#

WorriedMutha · 11/07/2025 09:48

The indemnity scheme bankrolling this case for Fyfe will surely be demanding prudence on their part. They won't allow them to continue with a lame duck case.

Neither the indemnity scheme nor NHS Fife have control over whether they continue or not. Only Sandie Peggie or the judge can end the case.

Fife can offer a settlement, but cannot force its acceptance.

And if I were Sandie I'd want the court to publicly examine the patient safety allegations - a huge personal and professional detriment to her - not have them paid away quietly. And I certainly wouldn't accept an NDA-linked settlement, or anything that didn't include a full and prominently public apology from Fife, Upton, and KS.

I didn't even get a confirmation of receipt email, and I've checked and triple checked that I mailed the correct address with the correct info... I'm hoping that this is because I had also mailed before they announced the arrangements, and those people were treated differently because we were already on some list...I had the "mail closer to the time" response to my earlier mail. Ah well, whatever. It does seem a bit short-sighted to expect people to be able to attend every session over a 10 day hearing, and not tell them whether they are one of those selected to do so until a day or two before it starts.

That’s exactly what I said. They’re cutting it too fine.
I haven’t checked TT, so, i don’t know if it’s already started.

I completely agree. It is not how anyone operates surely, keeping all those days free with no way of knowing of you'll get a link or not? How many people does that realistically include?!

The deadline to apply was last Wednesday.

I applied after that, and I thought I would have received a nicely worded ‘bugger off, you’re too late’ response.

And so the nail biting times begin.

I'm also hoping links go out today so I can alter my schedule if needs be, but it could be as late as Weds morning before we know if we've been successful or not.

Checking in with thanks and advance thanks for everyone's contributions and commentary.

I really want to know what's on Upton's phone 👀

The dog ate his phone!

Checking in. Thanks to all those who've kept this discussion going, collected info and links etc.

I'm sure it will come down to NHS Fife blaming young Isla Bumba and scapegoating her, in which case Framing Isla For Everything might seem appropriate!

Sat patiently waiting to see if I get the email in today with a link as I've helpfully got this week off and planned to spend part of it watching the next stage of proceedings.

Thank you very much @nauticant for the new thread.

Trying not to count down the hours until Wednesday morning.

Checking in ready for the next round. Thanks for new thread, nauticant.

I would love to know how to get a job like Isla Bumba!

I like a name you can dance to.

Thank you Nauti for the new thread.

I think that there will probably be a vacancy for a DEI Officer at Fife NHS Trust later this year.