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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #7

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nauticant · 08/02/2025 15:40

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

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Mayaisashero · 09/02/2025 19:36

UrsulasHerbBag · 09/02/2025 19:26

It does feel like Dr U has some preconceptions about women’s behaviour in CR and these haven’t been met. I remember an exchange I was part of on X a while ago, the TW seemed to really believe that it was an inherently female experience to sit on your bed with your friends in “your panties” (puke) and do each others make up. I never let my friend do my make up and I might have my knickers on show for a brief instant before a dress was pulled over my head but that’s it. We weren’t running around the bedroom getting ready for nights out in the nip. He thought that’s what we did and felt he had been denied this part of “womanhood” and it was his right that women recreate it with him.

We really need a vomit reaction. Ye gods. Shudder. The utter creepy maleness of thinking this!

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 19:36

UrsulasHerbBag · 09/02/2025 19:26

It does feel like Dr U has some preconceptions about women’s behaviour in CR and these haven’t been met. I remember an exchange I was part of on X a while ago, the TW seemed to really believe that it was an inherently female experience to sit on your bed with your friends in “your panties” (puke) and do each others make up. I never let my friend do my make up and I might have my knickers on show for a brief instant before a dress was pulled over my head but that’s it. We weren’t running around the bedroom getting ready for nights out in the nip. He thought that’s what we did and felt he had been denied this part of “womanhood” and it was his right that women recreate it with him.

Ugh, it's like the pillow fights wearing baby doll pyjamas that TW seem to believe is an essential part of girlhood/womanhood and how they think/believe girls and woman behave in toilets and changing rooms.

It is all a fantasy in their heads which they want in on and to be part of and force the girls and women to act out for their benefit.

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:38

FallenSloppyDead · 09/02/2025 18:52

@KnottyAuty David Tennant as Dr U (DH said really it should be TW role for fairness so suggestions please)

Karla Sofía Gascón is available, I believe

Spanish/Scottish accent - details details! She looks good for the role

Mayaisashero · 09/02/2025 19:38

It's certainly a fantasy, I would guess most probably of the porn fuelled variety. How incredibly grim.

Mayaisashero · 09/02/2025 19:39

Another vote for Sarah Lancashire for SP!

RethinkingLife · 09/02/2025 19:41

AlbertCamusflage · 09/02/2025 18:46

Sarah Lancashire for Nurse Peggie?

Siobhan Redmond or Daniela Nardini? Or should it be someone a lot smaller, like SP? Clare Grogan?

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:41

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 18:52

Women are skilled at getting into/out of a bra and into/out of a swimming costume without taking their jumper off.

Ah yes, the getting the bra off without taking the jumper off trick and putting bottom half of swimming costume on whilst still wearing skirt learnt many moons ago at the all girls school I attended.

That old trick in the HR Induction booklet I was sent when admitted to the female sex at work.

On the page after cozzie-on-under-jumper-but-over-bra-then-bra-off-from-under-cozzie-a-la-somewhat-furtive-rabbit-out-of-hat.

Didn’t you get a copy?

eatfigs · 09/02/2025 19:42

UrsulasHerbBag · 09/02/2025 19:26

It does feel like Dr U has some preconceptions about women’s behaviour in CR and these haven’t been met. I remember an exchange I was part of on X a while ago, the TW seemed to really believe that it was an inherently female experience to sit on your bed with your friends in “your panties” (puke) and do each others make up. I never let my friend do my make up and I might have my knickers on show for a brief instant before a dress was pulled over my head but that’s it. We weren’t running around the bedroom getting ready for nights out in the nip. He thought that’s what we did and felt he had been denied this part of “womanhood” and it was his right that women recreate it with him.

It's so disgustingly male gaze.

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 19:43

larklane17 · 09/02/2025 19:35

Would I care if a woman was in the men's changing room? Some men would but, speaking for myself, I wouldn't, regardless of how she identified, provided I wasn't expecting to strip completely naked. I really couldn't be bothered about a woman seeing me in my underwear. She isn't going to see any more than she would at the swimming pool (and, sadly, no woman is going to be driven wild with desire by seeing my somewhat overweight and no longer young body).

A somewhat surprising contribution sir, but duly noted.

Yes, I would say it is an interesting contribution especially this bit:

(and, sadly, no woman is going to be driven wild with desire by seeing my somewhat overweight and no longer young body).

As I say, interesting.

spannasaurus · 09/02/2025 19:45

How about Maxine Peake for nurse Peggie

eulittleb831 · 09/02/2025 19:45

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:35

Sorry I got that wrong ACAS says “typical” person

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What is required is consistency in the law or guidelines, I agree - “typical person” may be used by ACAS and the guide to judicial standards (Bangalore 2002) refers to “reasonable observer”

ShangPie · 09/02/2025 19:46

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 19:36

Ugh, it's like the pillow fights wearing baby doll pyjamas that TW seem to believe is an essential part of girlhood/womanhood and how they think/believe girls and woman behave in toilets and changing rooms.

It is all a fantasy in their heads which they want in on and to be part of and force the girls and women to act out for their benefit.

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As though we all live in the Beauty School Dropout scene… yuck.

Having said that, it does have a Sandy going against the grain.

YY to Clare Grogan as SP!

Please can we have Charles Dance as the Judge?

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:46

UrsulasHerbBag · 09/02/2025 19:26

It does feel like Dr U has some preconceptions about women’s behaviour in CR and these haven’t been met. I remember an exchange I was part of on X a while ago, the TW seemed to really believe that it was an inherently female experience to sit on your bed with your friends in “your panties” (puke) and do each others make up. I never let my friend do my make up and I might have my knickers on show for a brief instant before a dress was pulled over my head but that’s it. We weren’t running around the bedroom getting ready for nights out in the nip. He thought that’s what we did and felt he had been denied this part of “womanhood” and it was his right that women recreate it with him.

This proves we need a shocked emoji/emoticon thingumy jig. That there.

FallenSloppyDead · 09/02/2025 19:47

eulittleb831 · 09/02/2025 19:45

What is required is consistency in the law or guidelines, I agree - “typical person” may be used by ACAS and the guide to judicial standards (Bangalore 2002) refers to “reasonable observer”

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What is a 'typical person' in the UK in 2025???

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:49

Where do I order the

greater litigation threat than a trans woman

T Shirt in ladies medium?

thanks

Mayaisashero · 09/02/2025 19:50

Clare Grogan would be good. Another option might be Laura Main who plays Shelagh in Call the Midwife.

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 19:51

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:41

That old trick in the HR Induction booklet I was sent when admitted to the female sex at work.

On the page after cozzie-on-under-jumper-but-over-bra-then-bra-off-from-under-cozzie-a-la-somewhat-furtive-rabbit-out-of-hat.

Didn’t you get a copy?

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Absolutely.😆

eulittleb831 · 09/02/2025 19:53

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:49

Where do I order the

greater litigation threat than a trans woman

T Shirt in ladies medium?

thanks

The same place as your RapidOnsetGenderCritic!

#getprinting!

Mayaisashero · 09/02/2025 19:55

I do like Maxine Peake and I feel her name is very apt for this whole thing too!

Boiledbeetle · 09/02/2025 19:56

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 19:36

Ugh, it's like the pillow fights wearing baby doll pyjamas that TW seem to believe is an essential part of girlhood/womanhood and how they think/believe girls and woman behave in toilets and changing rooms.

It is all a fantasy in their heads which they want in on and to be part of and force the girls and women to act out for their benefit.

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It feels like they've been fed a diet of the worst girl chick lit films from Hollywood

PepeParapluie · 09/02/2025 19:57

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2025 19:49

Where do I order the

greater litigation threat than a trans woman

T Shirt in ladies medium?

thanks

These would actually be amazing 😂

RobinStrike · 09/02/2025 19:59

@KnottyAuty no, Jeffrey Marsh -trans. Repulsive but would fit the role,

x.com/audrawrongspeak/status/1598306298264752131?s=61&t=708dEn_EkpuN3JVBO9mR8A

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 20:01

spannasaurus · 09/02/2025 19:45

How about Maxine Peake for nurse Peggie

Mmm not sure about Maxine Peake I doubt she would be a supporter of Sandie Peggie.

Boiledbeetle · 09/02/2025 20:01

PepeParapluie · 09/02/2025 19:57

These would actually be amazing 😂

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You can set up a teemill account and make them yourself if you are that way inclined.

Grimbut did one when the Aston University scraping incident occurred.

https://grimut-gerbils.teemill.com/collection/womens/

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #7
OhBuggerandArse · 09/02/2025 20:03

GailBlancheViola · 09/02/2025 20:01

Mmm not sure about Maxine Peake I doubt she would be a supporter of Sandie Peggie.

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