NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Continuation thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

@KnottyAuty given that he discredited himself re the Isla Bryson thing, the judge is likely to consider his evidence as not credible especially if he is a no show tomorrow.

i hope he does turn up

Thread thread need another thread!!!!

There's thread 5 linked to a few posts up but let's fill up this one before we move over.

See you on the other side

Jo Bartosch has published an article in the Critic (that was quick, her fingers must be smoking)

https://thecritic.co.uk/describing-reality-is-not-harassment/

It deserves to be more widely read. It's a fair point, if Dr Upton passes so convincingly (irrelevant imo) he could get a bunch of waverers on his side by having a recent picture published. It's telling that he's so camera shy.

I certainly avert my eyes in changing rooms, and have been very uncomfortable on the two occasions a woman has been somewhat, shall we say, uninhibited. I don’t want to talk to people I don’t know while changing, particularly if they’re naked. Neither do I want a demonstration of how to apply body lotion to every inch of body.
Twice in 55 years.

Is it a bit weird to ask somebody who is so obviously a bloke or woman (or perhaps a bit butch or feminine) about their chromosomes?

It's not as if you can pop to the shop to get a different set?

Thanks for all the threads @nauticant

So weird she probably did not say it

The BBC said this in relation to the child patient who left before treatment:
The tribunal was told Ms Peggie refused to acknowledge or look at Dr Upton when discussing the patient.

I've just realised that this is how it was reported when SP was speaking to a fellow nurse with Dr U present. He did not mention that she did this when they were in the cubicle and she said he could do the obs. Surely if SP had not looked or looked aggressively he would have kept a note of this. So by his own evidence SP did speak to Dr U (1 out of 2 times in a work setting as opposed to in the changing room) in a way that was unremarkable and not noteworthy

Hi

I will try, but will be busy in the morning (aaaaarrrrrrrrgggg, I'm, going to miss NC cross) So will definitely post in the afternoon.

That article by Jo Bartosch is smoking! She is not taking any prisoners is she?

Love Jo ❤️

I had a look at the most recent accounts for the Scottish Rheumatology society earlier and the income was £38k for 2023. The donations made in memory of Alex Bell are over £2K so over 5% of the 2023 annual income.

That Jo Bartosch article deserves a read if only for the delicious phrase 'boner of contention'.

I had no idea that the rhino level thick skin I had to develop in my male dominated profession was totally the wrong approach. I should have taken time off sick and got loads of free therapy... then again my career would have been in the toilet and life would have been rather miserable. So I am glad in retrospect that I was brought up in the 1980s-pick-yerslef-up-and-shut-it-lass style

Also, I almost cannot believe Nurse Peggie was advised by NHS Fife to take it up with Dr U directly. That is unbelievably poor advice and how can they then suspend her when she acted on their advice? I mean, that seems pretty clear cut!

Quite!

The BBC also reported this unqualified statement:
This left Dr Upton feeling "saddened" and "unfairly judged", but not wanting to put in a formal complaint to avoid making a fuss.

But Dr U did indeed make a spectacular fuss!? After stating the above early on - but unusually making notes on SP since first meeting - Dr U went on very swiftly to top level fuss to: a) submit an NHS Datix record b) raise a formal complaint for harrassment and a hate incident and c) accuse SP of professional incompetence for possible ignoring in 1 out of 2 work conversations leading Dr U to decide that this had the "potential" for impacting on the care of patients.

In my experience of a professional workplace this is not typical behaviour by Dr U who seems to be right up at the top end of the sensitive scale and very prompt with taking formal action and reporting on colleagues

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Can you imagine Employment Tribunal FWR Gogglebox

XX rated

Hahahaha @ XX rated.

Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. 💐

Continuation thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5