Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

I asked for a link to watch on Friday and haven't received one. I will email again but will be disappointed if I miss the first day I can watch!

Oooh, far right! Who had that on their bingo card?

Thanks

MW looks uncomfortable.

Lovely birdsong coming from BC’s office again.
Its also refreshing to see a witness who seems comfortable in the hot seat. He’s not defensive and arsey (yet).

I completely agree. I have marched for pride and raised money for Stonewall, but when they chose to support heterosexual men over homosexual women they stopped being anything like a gay rights organisations and became a men's right organisation who were happy to use women as human shields.

I once met a heterosexual man SOOO entitled that he thought it was perfectly ok for him to unilaterally decide that from now on he would be dating homosexual women. I suppose in some ways I was not shocked that such an entitled and scary man existed. I have no words for how shocked horrified and generally betrayed I felt when (some years later) Stonewall agreed with him.

Ha! I’m reading him the opposite way 🤣

I'll be watching this week to catch Michelle Brewer Penguintears. Whenever that might be and assuming that she does indeed appear. For me she is the unmissable witness.

Sorry, maybe it's his face. He looks a bit like a worrywart.

I've been away and keeping half an eye on this thread, just got caught up on Tribunal Tweets. It's intense! And yes Allison is a staunch fighter and win or lose she's turned over a big rock and exposed what's underneath. Never thought I'd see a tribunal discuss the cotton ceiling!

This is all history in the making. For me the make-or-break legal case for women will be Sarah Summers' Sussex Rape Crisis case. Maya Forstater made it possible to talk about it, she and Allison Bailley (and others) are setting the foundations. But Sussex Rape Crisis / Survivors' Network will be a case that women can't afford to lose.

Sussex Survivors' Network and presumably the coucil who fund them imagine that they are meeting women's needs by offering three mixed-sex groups and no women-only group at all. That is what women were promised wouldn't happen. If this is legally OK then it will be a huge defeat for women across the UK. It will be a precedent.

Anyway everyone, hope it all goes well today. Go Allison!

In his WS, MW says that he still doesn't understand 'gender critical views', so doesn't take sides in the debate.

It's the simplest thing in the world to understand.

AH interruption no.1

Are we taking bets on how many times he'll do it, @chilling19 ??

Just catching up on the thread - completely agree with this EmbarrassingHadrosaurus . We need as many people to see and be aware of this as possible. I don't know about anyone else, but the number of people who know I'm watching this who are asking for daily updates suggests there are beams of sunlight hitting the ground all over the place.

AH interruption face is so funny.

I've now joined but have a blank screen. Any tips?

Try logging out and back in again Penguintears - the first box that comes up on log in refers to tribunal camera & mic (so you can see and hear THEM), so they should both be on.

What device are you on? @Penguintears

MW is another one who can't remember anything

They must have something in the water there.

Marc Willers only looks at Twitter when he's bored on a train.

Yes, winner gets a support twix! I guess 10 through the day.

Ooh I'm in properly now. How exciting! I've followed TT and this thread every day so far, so now seeing it in real life is awesome!

Thanks everyone.

AH interruption no. 2