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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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ickky · 21/05/2022 10:36

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 10:06

Well, that's 2 so far, @chilling19

Which BC just completely ignored! 😂

nauticant · 23/05/2022 10:07

At least MW had the integrity to agree that consent around "hidden trans status" is controversial.

dworky · 23/05/2022 10:08

Everyone simply ignored him

Signalbox · 23/05/2022 10:08

Which BC just completely ignored!

Yes very funny. He pauses momentarily and then just ploughs on.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 10:09

Yeah, it's the slight pause, which acknowledges that he heard it...it's scathing.

dworky · 23/05/2022 10:10

The truth is, the toxicity is in full view if only they cared to look instead of instantly villifying feminists.

ickky · 23/05/2022 10:10

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 10:06

AH interruption no. 2

You're gonna lose that support twix. 😄

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Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 10:10

that is 3

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 10:11

AH - No.3.

Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 10:11

th is 4

JeanGabin · 23/05/2022 10:11

Am I in the wrong hearing? Employment judge glennie

nauticant · 23/05/2022 10:11

I find MW's comments about not bothering much with his twitter timeline and not understanding the arguments over trans issues at the time to be reasonable enough.

I assume BC is laying out an argument that GCC and Stonewall were closely aligned but doing this looks like hard work.

Waitwhat23 · 23/05/2022 10:11

For one of the joint HOC, MW doesn't seem to have known much about what was going on...

ickky · 23/05/2022 10:11

Ahh interruption no. 3

I'm betting 25.

Hang on

interruption no 4

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 23/05/2022 10:11

And 4...

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 10:11

Ooh AH no. 3 - I think 10 through the day might be woefully underestimating.

JeanGabin · 23/05/2022 10:12

I think I've been sent the wrong link

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 10:12

AH's objection sustained by EJG.

BC's going to move on.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 23/05/2022 10:12

JeanGabin - it's EJ Goodman?

Birdsweepsin · 23/05/2022 10:13

Why is he here if he doesn't know anything about anything?

ickky · 23/05/2022 10:14

JeanGabin · 23/05/2022 10:11

Am I in the wrong hearing? Employment judge glennie

Yes you are, unless you have gone back in time and are at Mayas hearing. 😀

Email again and get a new link.

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JeanGabin · 23/05/2022 10:16

I had to speak and everything Shock
I've emailed for a new link

nauticant · 23/05/2022 10:16

Like I wrote before, I think what happened at GCC is that a core group of trans activist hardliners seized some of the relevant control levers in GCC, people there were largely oblivious, and once chaos was unleashed, the rest of GCC were thinking: WTF is going on?

ickky · 23/05/2022 10:16

nauticant · 23/05/2022 10:16

Like I wrote before, I think what happened at GCC is that a core group of trans activist hardliners seized some of the relevant control levers in GCC, people there were largely oblivious, and once chaos was unleashed, the rest of GCC were thinking: WTF is going on?

This👆

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JeanGabin · 23/05/2022 10:17

Thought I recognised him!

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