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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

1004 replies

ickky · 21/05/2022 10:36

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

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BenCooperisaGod · 23/05/2022 15:32

Right, which of you lot have my evangelical cheque. I have hungry mouths to feed.

TheBiologyStupid · 23/05/2022 15:34

BenCooperisaGod · 23/05/2022 15:32

Right, which of you lot have my evangelical cheque. I have hungry mouths to feed.

😁

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 15:34

I’m on the phone, did he seriously pull out the « they’re funded by right-wing christians » card?

Mollyollydolly · 23/05/2022 15:34

He agrees with self ID 'subject to safeguards.'
Eh?

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 15:34

Ooh, agrees with self ID 'subject to safeguards'.

Clymene · 23/05/2022 15:34

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 15:34

I’m on the phone, did he seriously pull out the « they’re funded by right-wing christians » card?

He was quoting whittle I think. Or said it was discussed.

Appalonia · 23/05/2022 15:35

Just popped in the tribunal, would anyone be kind enough to tell me who this person is? ( won't say what I think of him for fear of del etions!)

VestofAbsurdity · 23/05/2022 15:35

I've been planning my major world tour on the back of receiving all these evangelical and/or Putin cheques, still waiting for them to materialise BenCooperisaGod, who is snaffling them all????

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 15:36

More Twitter waffling

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 15:36

Mollyollydolly · 23/05/2022 15:34

He agrees with self ID 'subject to safeguards.'
Eh?

What a transphobe! He’s basically a terf then.

Chrysanthemum5 · 23/05/2022 15:37

@Appalonia Stephen clerk he's a barrister at GCC on the trans group there

nauticant · 23/05/2022 15:37

SC seems to be less a believer in the gender identity ideology than he was back in 2018. Well, at least for the purposes of these proceedings.

Clymene · 23/05/2022 15:37

He's seems Allison's tweets because they appear as retweets. So he knows how Twitter works, unlike MW and his 37,000 tweets

ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2022 15:37

www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/stephen-clark

TheBiologyStupid · 23/05/2022 15:37

Admits he didn't like criticism of SW, "but..." .

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/05/2022 15:37

Wasn’t Stephen Whittle the one who suggested that women concerned about mixed-sex sleeping quarters would be perfectly safe if they wore sturdy pyjamas?

Mollyollydolly · 23/05/2022 15:37

He's upset people think Stonewall are 'extreme.' Diddums.

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 15:37

Clymene · 23/05/2022 15:34

He was quoting whittle I think. Or said it was discussed.

Thanks! I was struggling to believe he’d have admitted that.

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 15:38

'Going mental'? Discriminating against people with MH issues.

Appalonia · 23/05/2022 15:38

Thanks all!

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 23/05/2022 15:38

BC: do you think gendercritical people are transphobic
CS: well, they are a wide range of views so I couldn't say that about all of them
(but put more cleverly than that- a right sophist this one)

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 15:38

I was at Goodge St with a coffee at 16:00.

This is the bullshit he claims to remember.

dworky · 23/05/2022 15:39

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 15:34

Ooh, agrees with self ID 'subject to safeguards'.

He speaks with forked brains

ickky · 23/05/2022 15:39

Ahh crystal clear recollection of where he was and what he was drinking when he saw AB's tweet.

Must have been a bit like everyone remembers when JFK was killed and 911.

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Mollyollydolly · 23/05/2022 15:40

'Everyone is going mental' about LGBAlliance, he meant on Twitter not in Chambers apparently.
BC questions him on what LGBA stand for (same sex attraction).

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