Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

SK being very, very, very wary here. Especially at the mention of Mermaids. He has no idea what their position is. Oh dear no.

He’s got two brains…

He has a twitter account.
He tries to limit his engagement with it.
Discussion around Mermaids and them attending an event at Garden Court.
He's very hesitant about his knowledge of Mermaids and what affirmation means and the controversy around Mermaids.

Whoop! The Cass Review - mentioned by BC.

Wtf? 'I know Mermaids position is controversial but I don't know how/why??'

SC re affirmative approach (paraphrased) "I apologize, I'm just very reluctant to give you a straight answer"

😂👌

OMG did he just admit he knew something about how twitter works?!

He doesn't know what "affirmative" means apparently.

I know, Lipbalm...🤨

What a sanctimonious little shit head he is??

Will there be a special test we have to sit through before being allowed this dispensation?

You know what SC you raging MRA just fuck off telling women what they can and can't have what they can and can't do.

Yes and then goes on to say watching waiting vs affirmative care. But he has no idea about Mermaids.

Maybe his answers are, 1st part - 1st brain, 2nd part - 2nd brain.

Great Stephen Whittle intervention there, their comment that presenting as a woman means grabbing a bucket so they look like a cleaner.

All these people who have no idea about anything: did it never occur to them to leave well alone? Or to educate themselves on both sides of the argument & then decide on their position?

How much trauma? Does S Clark get to decide? Does being leered at in the street and groped on public transport from the age of 11 count?

'Let me dis-aggregate the answer'

Just answer the question like a normal human being - that's easy peasy lemon squeezy, Steve.

😂

BC quoting Mr Whittle's statements at the meeting. Whittle characterised feminists as fanatics and funded by right wing USA blah blah.

There are easier ways of attacking women than going through gender reassignment.

Yes making a declaration is very difficult. 😡

OMG don't get me started on what BC's talking about now.

Who is Mr Whittle?

easy peasy lemon squeezy, Stevie

He can remember a lot suddenly about particular points some people made some time ago.

able to cut through the factual and legal complexity to get to the heart of the issues
…
“Epitomises a number of key qualities at the Bar: fearlessness, mastery of detail and an ability to identify the essence of a legal issue and presentation skills that seem effortless, undoubtedly as his preparation is so extensive and targeted”

A number of GCC's barristers have text like that in their bio. After the performances we've seen from several senior members now, I'd think that a number of them should revise that text given the extensive and shared inability to remember anything or to have actually paused to read up on a controversial matter before forming a view.

We shall draw a veil about how much one might rely upon them reading an email or understanding text, or even participating in a meeting/conversation and comprehending what was said.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Whittle

They've said some very interesting things on MN over the years.

I enjoy them failing to understand words life « endemic » and « affirmative » in questions they don’t like, and then reply with words like « disaggregate » and « infelicitous »