Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

He's doubling down. He's saying that if he clicks on a tweet it does not present him with replies. Is he actually being honest to say this?

Oh the angry cleaning is great, you get so much done.

I once got a stubborn tree stump and roots out when raging. 😂

Maybe he’s one of those Twitter users who never notices anything anyone other than him is saying.

Ok. So he has no clue how Twitter works but professes to be a regular user whereas Kirrin Medcalf is not a Twitter specialist but can speak at length about how it works.

Since 2011.

He's never once seen a reply.

What?

I should think it's easy to see if he's ever responded to a comment by someone else in a thread (indicating he can see comments and replies).

Oh dear. They seem to have all been very happy to have outsourced their brain to the couple of people who were saying they were getting a 'hammering' without actually looking further.

So, this seems to all be based on a couple of people's agenda within the chambers and barrister's willingness to not check out for themselves to assure they are making the right decision.

Thing is, if you're a "regular twitter user" that's one thing, but if you are high up in Chambers and their reputation is being damaged you're no longer a regular Twitter user, but an invested one. And what's more you're not NOT going to click on tweets or look up usernames.

I do all the time if people are tweeting me - even out of curiosity.

Either they guy was uncurious, which would be weird if he's so invested in GCC chambers or he's full of shit.

MW says maybe his Twitter account is set up differently from other people so that he can't see replies!!!

MS said she was on Twitter too IdisagreeMrHochhauser - the others are Twitter-refusers (allegedly.) JK has an account but no username(??) and never uses it.

I’m currently left speechless. He has 37,000 tweets in his tweet history and claims he doesn’t know how to view replies?

Either way, it’s not good enough. If he didn’t see the responses, he should have looked. He was happy enough to consider what AB said and the complaints they received. He should have paid more attention.

Bingo. Very busy! Big case!

Oh.... and there is only a 'few' tweets that are abusive against AB according to MW.

“Maybe my Twitter works differently...”

Dying.

I wasn't there. I didn't know. I can't remember. I didn't see it.

It's just not believable.

He didn't look at the replies Allison got because he was too busy! Not too busy to read the complaints, but too busy to read the abuse.

They are very busy all these people aren't they? Probably because they have such poor memories.

Is he actually being honest to say this?

I don't believe him.

Yes, it's amazing all these GCC Barristers have a custom twitter, no one else has that bespoke privilege.

BC: Not credible that between the three of you at GCC no one clicked on the replies and did not see the abuse that AB was receiving

MW: I was v busy that day

I think he knows that it is just not credible that none of them could see the replies on twitter so falling back on the old 'I was too busy to look at them'

Haha, decades passed before 'queer' was reclaimed.

The timeline for 't&rf' being a slur to reclaimation was about 6 months.

😆

Does anyone know how many tweets this 'twitter storm' comprised of?

Apparently "gender extremism is about to meet its match" (which AB tweeted) is just another form of extremism.

He is trying to imply that LGBA is an extremist organisation.

Just proves how efficient women are. 😀

@mum61

Yes, it's as simple as that.
The TRA party line is 'everything is transphobic' and it's not possible to be pro-woman. You are simply anti-trans and, therefore, a terf.