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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

1002 replies

ickky · 20/05/2022 12:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

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chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:43

From a man's point of view, all women are collateral damage. Also, bingo! Fond of Allison. And we don't need to share our own experiences of sexual abuse to be listened to.

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:43

Schools? He’s genuinely going to go there?

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 16:43

Can we just let him talk until 5pm?

Mollyollydolly · 20/05/2022 16:43

God he's really appalling isn't he. Owen Jones level.

ickky · 20/05/2022 16:43

How the fuck would he know.

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katmarie · 20/05/2022 16:43

Women shouldn't be allowed to feel.....

TheClitterati · 20/05/2022 16:43

DR isn't keen on women only spaces at all is he

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 16:43

He doesn't feel that women as a group should be able to have opinions on things that directly affect them. What a prince.

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:44

Ben’s face.

dworky · 20/05/2022 16:44

This man is a genuine dullard.

CatsOperatingInGangs · 20/05/2022 16:44

Men like DR just don’t like women saying no. Women in prison can’t say no, girls in schools can’t say no, women who have been sexually abused can’t say no. He just doesn’t listen to women/AB nor take them seriously.
How many times have we come across men like DR?

katmarie · 20/05/2022 16:44

Who the hell does this person think he is to dictate what woman should be allowed to feel about their own safety?

TopKnotch · 20/05/2022 16:44

"I've never come across it"

Oh well then. Kill the witch.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:44

Omg - 'i have never come across it'. Because you are a man.

Clymene · 20/05/2022 16:44

Wow. He doesn't think that school girls deserve single sex toilets! And he's never come across it? BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 16:44

So now he's saying women who are victims of sexual assault shouldn't be scared on gender neutral toilets - who does he think he is to tell us what we should feel after being assaulted

User237845 · 20/05/2022 16:44

David doesn't get to decide what assault victims should be happy with, toilet-wise. Sorry, David!

What a fucking disgrace.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 16:44

A typical fucking woke bro with a beard...🤨

IloveHolby · 20/05/2022 16:44

Yup - women's feelings don't matter. Women 'shouldn't' feel threatened by gender neutral toilets.

PrelateChuckles · 20/05/2022 16:44

DR: that's is right...but there's very robust criticism from AB from gender neutral toilets. AB always finds a way that the adaptation for trans should be made
BC: no she says women's rights. She's shared her personal history?

Don't understand this.
(Also, reads like people in toilet cubicles are yelling 'robust criticism' at AB while 'just peeing'!!)

ickky · 20/05/2022 16:44

Exactly what rights does AB want to take away? I want specifics!

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omahanebraska · 20/05/2022 16:44

He's giving me full red pill vibes.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 16:44

dworky · 20/05/2022 16:44

This man is a genuine dullard.

He went to Eton and Oxford.

He was an equality officer.... didn't catch where. Some Union?

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:45

Clymene · 20/05/2022 16:44

Wow. He doesn't think that school girls deserve single sex toilets! And he's never come across it? BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN

Cross post! FFS

Helleofabore · 20/05/2022 16:45

This Renton person is a male telling women how they should react and how they should think.

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