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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

1002 replies

ickky · 20/05/2022 12:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

OP posts:
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tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 13:03

No, JR is very annoying.

nauticant · 20/05/2022 13:03

JR needs to dial down the theatricality. Making dramatic declarations looks foolish.

Eelicks · 20/05/2022 13:03

JR is incredibly annoying. "Dramatic voice"!! Haha

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 13:03

Jesus, JR low-blood sugar kicking in. Time for lunch!

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 20/05/2022 13:03

Christ, JR is rude.

katmarie · 20/05/2022 13:03

drama! "Don't patronise me Mr Cooper!"

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 13:03

BC -Read them in a dramatic voice and shouldn't be having that sort of drama in re-examination.

Beautiful.

BarryStir · 20/05/2022 13:04

MsMarvellous · 20/05/2022 13:02

I don't like JRs style

It’s the sort of thing, in my experience, that gets judge’s backs up. Completely unnecessary.

ickky · 20/05/2022 13:04

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 13:01

Just for the new thread. Witnesses so far that are missing or incomplete in the list:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women
Dr Judith Green - Woman's Place UK
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA

Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall

Is this right?

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women
Dr Judith Green - Woman's Place UK
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come
Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

OP posts:
tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 13:04

‘I don’t believe that I’m exaggerating...’

Well...

User237845 · 20/05/2022 13:04

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 13:01

Just for the new thread. Witnesses so far that are missing or incomplete in the list:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women
Dr Judith Green - Woman's Place UK
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA

Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall

Hi, @IdisagreeMrHochhauser , I did alter the list last night/this morning to include these. I maybe need to search for my own post (yikes) and re-post here - thanks!

Eelicks · 20/05/2022 13:04

I wonder if JR did performing arts, it's all so fake! It's cringe!!!

nauticant · 20/05/2022 13:04

EJ's wearyness here suggests she also met JR types at school.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 13:04

"I don't believe that I'm exaaaagerating!' 😂

MsMarvellous · 20/05/2022 13:04

@BarryStir yes. It's like they think they're on telly and it's dramatised. Just annoying.

She is so patronising. The gall of accusing BCQC of that!

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 20/05/2022 13:05

Rhetoric flourish. Lolz.

let the judge speak!

User237845 · 20/05/2022 13:05

Ahh perfect, thanks @ickky !

GruffaIo · 20/05/2022 13:06

No red bag for JR!

CriticalCondition · 20/05/2022 13:06

MsMarvellous · 20/05/2022 12:56

Thanks @ickky

CTs answer to the question about instructions from above was off kilter with the quality of his other answers. Not necessarily a lie but very uncomfortable.

I noticed that too. He looked very uncomfortable and searched around for words along the lines of that's a wild accusation which didn't seem to come easily.

Simonedinovoir · 20/05/2022 13:06

Heartfelt sigh from EJ. They all need some lunch.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 13:06

You go EJ - take no messing in your tribunal

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 13:07

Imagine working with her...she'd do my head in.

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 20/05/2022 13:07

Time for a juice break again children.
Get your blankets for nap time

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 13:08

A smacked bot for JR, i'll be bound, @GruffaIo

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 13:08

@Ameanstreakamilewide I imagine we've all worked with a version of JR (female or male) and now avoid wherever possible. I wonder what AH will think of that little pantomime

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