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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

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ickky · 20/05/2022 12:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

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dworky · 20/05/2022 16:29

Stated that he doesn't understand gender critical thought however he knows gender criticals oppose trans rights.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 16:29

He's talking such bollocks...

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:29

Ooh BC with steel in his voice

Mollyollydolly · 20/05/2022 16:30

I can never believe that people like this think they are progressive.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:30

Babyish?

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:30

This was the same in the examination in the Forstater case and the MD UK (I forget his name).

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 16:30

A beautiful smile from BC.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 16:30

Oh fgs. Wilfully obtuse yet again. Can't they hear themselves??

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 16:31

He won't answer a question on whether bad men will go to extraordinary lengths to abuse women.

The language of bad men is 'babyish' but grudgingly he accepts violent men do.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:31

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 16:30

Oh fgs. Wilfully obtuse yet again. Can't they hear themselves??

No they can't

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 16:31

Literally no-one is saying that!

BarryStir · 20/05/2022 16:31

“I’m not an expert in gender critical feminism. “

Patently.

Queenoftheashes · 20/05/2022 16:31

This man is awful

IloveHolby · 20/05/2022 16:31

My jaw is hitting the floor. I cannot believe he is denying violence against women perpetrated by men by saying 'that's what GC feminists believe'....

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:31

He’s not an expert in GC feminism. Maybe in that case he should listen more.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 16:31

BC: That is your brain running away with you.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 16:31

Mr Renton, that's your brain running away with you.

I wonder again how he got into Oxford other than the Eton effect.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2022 16:31

If he doesn't understand what GC feminism is why is he mansplaining it?

TheBiologyStupid · 20/05/2022 16:31

BC: That's YOUR brain running away with you.

katmarie · 20/05/2022 16:32

This guy is so resistant to agreeing with totally legitimate statements. Bad men will go to great lengths to hurt women. Women need safe spaces from men. That is obvious.

malloo · 20/05/2022 16:32

Oh don't move on this is too much fun!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/05/2022 16:32

Sorry, not at you Chilling - at the suggestion the tweet means all trans people are sexual offenders.

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:32

Let BC speak!

ickky · 20/05/2022 16:32

Don't stop BC now EJ

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nauticant · 20/05/2022 16:32

Another part of being a judge crosstalk is you make your decision and then risk being humiliated on appeal to a higher court. As a barrister you can argue your case much as you like, even in a way that's bonkers, can lose, and everyone is cool about it.

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