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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

1002 replies

ickky · 20/05/2022 12:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

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LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 20/05/2022 16:12

TheClitterati · 20/05/2022 16:02

LooHoo believes legally as a lawyer AB's protects acts are illegal! OK then 🤨

Her witness stmt refers to ABs ‘alleged’ protected acts

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:12

Having not watched a tribunal before, is this typical?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/05/2022 16:13

They won't start him with about half an hour today, will they?

oviraptor21 · 20/05/2022 16:13

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 20/05/2022 16:09

Who is the next witness?

It looked like a man had moved into the chair that LooHoo vacated so a GCC man perhaps.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/05/2022 16:13

Once it meets in the middle it will form a large X and look like it's crossing out the rainbow.

Anyone else ever feel like that flag is a hint from the author, like Tom Riddle's name being an anagram?

twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1403950225111326724

TheClitterati · 20/05/2022 16:14

ickky · 20/05/2022 16:12

I think it is supposed to be David Renton next.

yes we saw him for a minute sitting at the GCC witness desk with the tech team doing some set up.

I wonder what on earth could be going on?

Lougle · 20/05/2022 16:14

I can't imagine they'll restart today now. They got very angsty at 16.30 yesterday.

Pyjamagame · 20/05/2022 16:15

OvaHere · 20/05/2022 16:10

Once it meets in the middle it will form a large X and look like it's crossing out the rainbow.

The year is 2025 and the Pride flag is now the Trans flag with a dinky little rainbow almost invisible in the bottom left hand corner.

nauticant · 20/05/2022 16:15

Regarding the rainbow flag with the invasive triangles, this is always a classic commentary:

twitter.com/LouiseWluddite/status/1400866710983426049

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 16:15

Isn't this Allison's room mate who listened in on her phone calls and reported them to senior staff?

TheClitterati · 20/05/2022 16:15

David Renton

www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/david-renton/sao

MaudeYoung · 20/05/2022 16:16

The Istanbul Convention is yet another way of sneaking "gender identity" into law:

Article 4 – Fundamental rights, equality and non-discrimination

"3 The implementation of the provisions of this Convention by the Parties, in particular measures to protect the rights of victims, shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, gender, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, state of health, disability, marital status, migrant or refugee status, or other status."

I, for one, am glad that the UK govt, although a signatory, has never ratified this via Parliament and has introduced its own VAWG laws instead.

rm.coe.int/168008482e

IcakethereforeIam · 20/05/2022 16:17

Oh I've got to get the groceriesSad
Ooh, I'll buy some ES snacks for...next week, yes, for next week Smile

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 16:17

I wonder if they've decided to take his evidence in private and just not told us.

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:17

I think they’ll restart if they can. Time is so limited.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 16:17

We're back!

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 16:17

In.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/05/2022 16:17

And we're back in the room.

Lougle · 20/05/2022 16:17

And we're back.

ickky · 20/05/2022 16:17

and we're back in the room

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TheBiologyStupid · 20/05/2022 16:17

Back in!

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/05/2022 16:18

We're back with DR.

CatsOperatingInGangs · 20/05/2022 16:18

Ah! Orange squash has been drunk and everyone is back.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/05/2022 16:18

I wonder if they've decided to take his evidence in private and just not told us.

I almost hope it's this. If not, the EJ must be tearing her hair out. She doesn't deserve this shit!

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 20/05/2022 16:18

Don’t know what’s happened but EJ sounds pissed.
miss Russell. Sigh

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