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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

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ickky · 20/05/2022 12:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

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theemperorhasnoclothes · 20/05/2022 15:28

So she doesn't give a fuck about harms to lesbians then - like the cotton ceiling?

Only 'harm' to the menz. Ok, yes, that's clear.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 15:28

dworky · 20/05/2022 15:27

BUSY!!!

House!

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 20/05/2022 15:28

That’s right cos all charities must campaign for everything because if they don’t one of the causes might suffer which is why Age Uk also campaign for children

oh wait!

i wonder why she’s so invested

Mmmnotsure · 20/05/2022 15:28

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 15:27

Extremely busy - drink!

And important. And travelling.

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 15:28

Missing this (errands) but looks like she’s gone through the looking glass.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/05/2022 15:28

Is Colin Cook going to take the stand at some point? We need to hear from him as well as the other clerks.

TheClitterati · 20/05/2022 15:29

ooh shes starting to get shirty now

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 15:29

No more questions from BC!

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 15:29

Re bingo cards, have given up. Might have to set up a server for them at this rate.

Lougle · 20/05/2022 15:29

What happens when he takes that moment? Is he asking AB if she wants to push or leave it?

theemperorhasnoclothes · 20/05/2022 15:29

LoHo has earlier said that there's no such thing as trans people.

If GI and sex are the same, there is nothing to transition to or away from. Trans means nothing if they're the same.

My God. How Transphobic.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 15:29

No question from Stonewall. She's swallowed the manual.

Queenoftheashes · 20/05/2022 15:30

Judge is weary

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 15:30

No questions from IO (for SW) nor from EJ.
JR (for GCC) now re-examining.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/05/2022 15:30

C'mon, JR!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 15:30

Lougle · 20/05/2022 15:29

What happens when he takes that moment? Is he asking AB if she wants to push or leave it?

Yes. Taking instructions.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 20/05/2022 15:30

I think she might be destroying her career right here.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 15:30

Lougle · 20/05/2022 15:29

What happens when he takes that moment? Is he asking AB if she wants to push or leave it?

Or Peter Daly, maybe?

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 15:30

I think SW are distancing themselves from GCC (and vice versa)

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 15:30

theemperorhasnoclothes · 20/05/2022 15:30

I think she might be destroying her career right here.

Nah. She'll be rivalling RMW for work now.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 20/05/2022 15:30

(though she'll probably get a job with Stonewall)

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 15:31

So, the allying of Chambers with LBA is not acceptable? There it is, in plain site.

PrelateChuckles · 20/05/2022 15:31

Wonder where JR is going?

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 15:31

Hello JR - any more dramatics to come? Remember AH is back next week and he may not like you annoying the judge

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 15:31

*sight

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