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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

1002 replies

ickky · 20/05/2022 12:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

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Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 15:24

Oh David de Menezes has joined the chat

Mollyollydolly · 20/05/2022 15:24

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 15:23

She's Aunt Lydia!

She absolutely is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2022 15:24

I'm so jealous, am in the world's most boring Teams meeting.

dworky · 20/05/2022 15:25

She's going to be caught out

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/05/2022 15:25

theemperorhasnoclothes · 20/05/2022 15:22

The pretzel logic is INSANE!

She'd do well in the Handmaid's tale. Parsing whether or not some of the things AB has said are transphobic or not. Jeeez.

I need a support biscuit.

I'm going straight for the support dark chocolate at this point. If it gets much more woo I may have to start next week's celebratory posh chox.

Lougle · 20/05/2022 15:25

Her answers are like following a mobius strip...you think you're getting somewhere then you realise you're back to the beginning again.

oviraptor21 · 20/05/2022 15:26

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 15:23

She's Aunt Lydia!

Indeed.

JR has shrunk so much that I can't, to my dismay, see her expressions and demeanour.

BarryStir · 20/05/2022 15:26

Reading her bio above, I’m absolutely astounded as what we are seeing in this evidence is really not compatible with what she puts forward as her speciality.

this is basically entirely bonkers, I can’t believe she’s supposed to be an intelligent woman.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 20/05/2022 15:26

Oh perleaze!

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 15:26

LoHo wanted trans suicide stats etc to be included in GCC's statement that they were nothing to do with LGBA

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 15:26

Suffering...🥴

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 15:26

Well, if it was happening to your friends...

SpindleInTheWind · 20/05/2022 15:26

2fallsfromSSA · 20/05/2022 15:20

I have a report to finish by 5 and the dog hasn't been walked. I can't leave.

I should have finished a commissioned piece of work days ago, but luckily the client wants me to add in some extra material and hasn't sent it through yet.

I am wondering if he's been watching this tribunal hearing ...

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/05/2022 15:26

I fucking love how all of the genderist believers, no matter how senior, no matter how intelligent, no matter how much legal experience they've had, sound unhinged and delusional as soon as they're expected to justify their beliefs on the witness stand by Ben Cooper.

PrelateChuckles · 20/05/2022 15:26

LH2 says that removing T from LGBT contributes to the harm that T community are suffering. Also mentions that it contributes (i paraphrase) to 'removing their human rights'.

TopKnotch · 20/05/2022 15:26

This person really, really believes what she is saying even though it makes no sense!

Queenoftheashes · 20/05/2022 15:27

dworky · 20/05/2022 15:25

She's going to be caught out

Surely. On tenterhooks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2022 15:27

LoHo wanted trans suicide stats etc to be included in GCC's statement that they were nothing to do with LGBA

Doesn't she think they ought to do some due diligence first?

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 15:27

And if GCC hope this stand will get then trans business they should know that their earlier answers from LF, JK etc have been branded as transphobic by the TRAs.

I almost feel sorry for them - given how busy they are travelling and dealing with things at 1.38am etc

Mollyollydolly · 20/05/2022 15:27

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 15:24

Oh David de Menezes has joined the chat

He's probably looked at Mumsnet and thought I'd better have a listen.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 15:27

Extremely busy - drink!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 15:27

Bingo!!!

Busy. December. Abroad.

dworky · 20/05/2022 15:27

BUSY!!!

PrelateChuckles · 20/05/2022 15:28

Oh no she was extremely busy too....

"Anti-gender movement" referenced - she began to understand this movement in early 2019 after Istanbul Convention.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2022 15:28

Busy and travelling - double bingo from LH

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