Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

@Ameanstreakamilewide
BC's not having any of it, Gabcsika.

BC: "I understand that, but......."

Every question.

I'm so confused. Even the EJ is getting involved making sure she understands correctly.

Not sure where she got her cotton ceiling info from. Ah. She didn't look for it.

MS is actually saying the "cotton ceiling" means something other than it's OBVIOUS, WIDELY-KNOWN meaning, as explained clearly by the description given in the advert for the workshop on how "queer transwomen" can "overcome" the cotton ceiling????? WTF

Has there ever been a subject that stretches over this many threads?

So, she finds one article to corroborate her own opinion and the dozens of examples that AB sends her, are what??

She didn't know what AGP was and still can't pronounce it.

EXACTLY @Ameanstreakamilewide

It's got such pickup artist overtones. Any other demographic talking about breaking through the cotton ceiling in relation to sexual success with women would never ever be defended by anyone sensible. Only by some men who would say 'legend'.

AH: we need to move on [from the discussion about Cotton Ceiling]

EJ: this is something that needs to be explored.

AH objecting again and asking when the questions can move on, EJ said we need to understand this point.

AH interjecting to try to get BC to stop asking about the cotton ceiling tweet. EJ says it's important and carry on.

AH interjecting AGAIN.

AH is throwing more spanners into the works of BC's questions. They don't want this to be explored. Especially since the complaint in relation to the Cotton Ceiling tweet is likely to be very significant in how GCC decided to act.

BC taking the opportunity to read out nasty abusive messages again.

EJ pauses so she can zoom in and read them properly!!!

Did anyone else understand that MS misrepresented Allison's tweet- I think she said Allison had accused Morgan Page of having coerced an individual, but the tweet says he organized a workshop about how to overcome lesbians' boundaries. I couldn't find the quote on TT...
Here's the tweet...

I still haven't got over BC saying 'cunt wipe' last week. 😉

I love this judge.

The actual tweet:

twitter.com/bluskyeallison/status/1175739790181974017

Is terf js not a slur a thing or is she mixing it up with terfisaslur and got it all backwards?

Did she actually just say "I did my own research"?! Meaning that she googled? OMFG...

She even footnoted, god damn it!

BC isn't impressed by that one bit.

Did MS just refer to cotton ceiling as a transphobic term which is a more neutral analysis??????

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

She had to educate herself about what cotton ceiling meant and didn't do a great job by the sound of it.