Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

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On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thanks all for the help but nothing doing, I will try again later when I have access to a laptop.

sorry for the interruption!

Sometimes, clearing cookies helps.

What is he arguing with the EJ about? Is this the GCC guy?

it sounds like AH is a little rattled if he is intervening a lot.

X post. Thanks

RM is annoying. The tribunal know the question is "why" that is what they are deciding in this case.

AH wanted RM to be allowed to ramble on without answering the specific question.

I couldn't hear as he was talking across BC.

Apologies - that was re. AH and I disagree has clarified

(The lighting makes it difficult to tell, but on my screen it looks like RM is wearing a blue-and-pink striped tie. Mr Lue definitely wore one when he gave his evidence.)

I'm in the office today so can't log on. I'll be relying on you all for summaries.

Can anyone who listened yesterday add to what was said about Lucy Masoud? I couldn't quite tell from TT. I know SW said she was problematic & trznsphobic when they were talking to the fire brigade (or the union?). Was it implied that they had a file on her?

Now he’s arguing there are ‘consequences’ to refusing to accept junior work. As if AB isn’t entitled to be adequately clerked.

I think it's pink with grey diagonal stripes

I can't watch but I used to do barrister billing and diary management so if anyone has questions about practicalities just ask!

He's awfully defensive, i must say!

AH objecting again about dates, EJ tells him to save it for cross. 😅

I looked at his evidence on this yesterday and it all seemed very convincing on paper. Sounds like it’s not holding up so well under cross-examination? Good.

Still, I don’t envy the EJ having to wade through all the complexities of this and decide whose account is more plausible. I hope BC somehow makes it easy for her.

Has anyone else just got a black screen? It has been working for me all morning but suddenly gone black and no sound but with all the names still up. Have logged out and retried and still black. Chrome on laptop.

They're still maintaining that Allison took 5-6 months off work and that's why her income was lower.

On a break until 11.04

Doh! Thanks, IdisagreeMrH

Do RM's arguments seem persuasive to you?

Sorry I forgot you aren't watching :D

RW complained about the user name "problematic Lucy Masoud" EJ disagreed.

It seems that junior counsel for Stonewall complained that Lucy Masoud using "problematic" in her sign-in name was harassment, but EJ was having none of it.

Probably because Lucy had simply adopted what the evidence yesterday showed Lucy Masoud had been called from the Stonewall direction.