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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) I have noticed here

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heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 17:21

Hello! Are you new? I am still pretty new, myself. Mumsnet can be hard to navigate.
Here are some commonly asked questions I’ve seen asked on the feminist board, with links to threads. Please have a look at these, as many of the regular posters will have likely covered your question in-depth before. I am hoping they don't mind me creating another basic FAQ, that can hopefully be added-to. Remember that this board is not a monolith (even though it might appear to be such), although the majority of posters do seem to have a clearly gender-critical slant, where feminism is centered around biological females. Centering females is also known as radical feminism - because the radical part refers to going back to the "root" of female oppression (which in such feminist theory is the female body).
These FAQs will be heavily related to the "transgender debate" because that is a hot topic right now.

What is the definition of "trans" that is typically used in this forum?
It is Stonewall's:
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.
www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t

You will notice that it does not specify only individuals who have gender dysphoria (discomfort with their own body/sex), but includes cross-dressers and those whose feelings are fluid. This is different from the classical term "transsexual," which refers to people with a medical condition named "gender dysphoria," which can only be alleviated by permanently inhabiting the social role of the opposite sex and potentially undergoing medication and surgery in order to achieve this. So the current trans umbrella has been significantly widened and now includes people who have no discomfort with their bodies but simply "identify as" another gender.

It is worth remembering that the definition of "transitioning" now is also very loose. Stonewall defines it like this:
The steps a trans person may take to live in the gender with which they identify. Each person’s transition will involve different things. For some this involves medical intervention, such as hormone therapy and surgeries, but not all trans people want or are able to have this. Transitioning also might involve things such as telling friends and family, dressing differently and changing official documents.

So there is no set definition for transitioning. This could be as simple as wearing a different set of clothes, changing one's name or pronoun.

Under these definitions, the following people are to be considered fully women, just like any female:
Danielle Muscato:
www.daniellemuscato.com/
Ibi-Pippi Hedegaard:

Alex Drummond (who identifies as Lesbian and is on the Trans advisory panel of Stonewall): www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3275432-Why-does-Stonewalls-definition-of-Transgender-trump-all-others-and-does-it-really

Material that serves a useful place to start to understand the gender-critical feminist perspective:
Rebecca Reilly-Cooper
sexandgenderintro.com/
Kathleen Stock
medium.com/@kathleenstock
Magdalen Berns
www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ
SAGES Fact-sheet
sages.org.uk/publications/sages-factsheet.html

What is up with the “transgender debate,” why are feminists protesting?
START HERE: “Break it down for me” is a very good introduction (best I have seen) with plenty of links to other beginner’s resources
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me
A short and snappy summary by Datun
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3175666-Want-to-know-why-women-are-livid-trans-thread?pg=1
“A Beginners guide to the transgender debate” is EXCELLENT, with signposting to a whole bunch of relevant material covering specific subjects (I have basically shamelessly ripped off that post - sorry DJ)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3246322-A-Beginners-Guide-to-the-Transgender-Debate-A-Signpost-to-Useful-Mumsnet-Threads?pg=1

What are some female-rights organisations that are looking into this issue?
fairplayforwomen.com/
womansplaceuk.org/
manfridayuk.org/

“Trans women are women”? Why is self-ID into the category “woman” so troublesome for some feminists?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3122473--Transwomen-are-women
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3170708-If-youre-pro-Self-ID-for-trans-people-please-could-you-explain-it-to-me?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297719-self-ID-sinnlos

Why do women care about the definition of woman?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296831-Can-we-talk-about-the-mental-impact-of-being-told-the-definition-of-woman-is-changing

People with cervixes – why are women protesting against dropping the word “woman” to refer to female anatomy in public health?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277806-Cancer-Research-anyone-with-a-cervix

What’s the issue with “cis”?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323848-Could-we-reclaim-cis

Why is “TERF” considered a slur?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330245-Abuse-of-GC-women-on-twitter-be-warned-graphic-disturbing
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330285-Woke-guy-that-did-that-terfs-are-trash-song-accused-of-sex-crimes
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3040706-TERF-isnt-just-a-slur-its-hate-speech
terfisaslur.com/
The “science of gender identity”?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331998-The-science-of-transgender-gender-identity?pg=1

A discussion on misgendering:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334275-Misgendering

Why is the argument “trans women are women, just like black women” considered to be so offensive?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3326391-Why-do-TRAs-keep-using-black-women-when-defending-TWAW

“Don’t most feminists support trans people?”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327679-vast-majority-of-feminists-trans
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327466-People-apparently-support-trans?pg=1&messages=25

What about intersex?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3305291-Trans-activsims-appropriation-of-intersex

Why the fixation on toilets?
A perennial favourite. This subject has been discussed multiple times.
Here are some relevant threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330297-Museum-of-London-why-female-only-toilets-were-so-important
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3322488-GRC-and-Toilets?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

What about women’s prisons?
Fair Play for Women: fairplayforwomen.com/prisons/

Recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334473-BBC-reality-check-on-trans-prisoners
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons

What about women’s shelters?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3158576-Women-s-Aid-considers-employing-self-declared-transwomen-i-e-men-in-womens-shelters
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325247-Stonewall-report-into-domestic-and-violent-services

What about transgender children?
The first port of call should be:
gids.nhs.uk/
A gender-critical parent view is represented by:
www.transgendertrend.com/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3265524-Transgender-Trend-Crowdfunder-suspended?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317880-Parents-who-wont-affirm-8-yr-old-gender-change-being-referred-to-social-services
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280972-Rapid-Onset-of-Gender-Dysphoria-in-Adolescents-and-Young-Adults-a-Descriptive-Study
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318996-Excellent-counter-view-to-ROGD

Why are lesbians protesting?
Magdalen on "Are Genital Preferences Transphobic?"

Trans activism and the lesbian community www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3146166-Transactivism-and-the-lesbian-community

London Pride 2018 protests: Get the L Out
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

An introduction to the “cotton ceiling”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

What about women’s sports?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324477-Transwomen-in-sport-I-need-sources-re-their-advantage

What's going on with the Girl Guides?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2832114-This-puts-me-off-Girl-Guides
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update

What is the difference between transsexuals and the current understanding of transgender ideology? Why are some trans people against the ideas being espoused by some trans activists?
Rose of Dawn
www.youtube.com/user/AshleeK9
Debbie Hayton
debbiehayton.wordpress.com/
Miranda Yardley
mirandayardley.com/en/

What are the protected categories in the Equality Act?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327711-Has-Transgender-replaced-Gender-Reassignment-in-protected-characteristics-of-Equality-Act

Why is self-ID/reform of the Gender Recognition Act considered controversial?
fairplayforwomen.com/full_guide/
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3188687-impact-of-self-id-on-equality-act
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3198512-Help-me-be-clear-about-the-GRA-Equality-Act-Exemptions

What can I do if I am concerned about this issue?
Links to consultations
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318003-Bringing-your-MUST-DO-WOMENS-RIGHTS-consultations-together-with-links-and-timelines-thread
Other actions
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329362-Get-offline

Why are women protesting self-identifying trans women taking places on all-women’s shortlists?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3136891-Transwomen-should-be-considered-for-all-women-shortlist-Guardian
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329447-People-Who-Oppose-Trans-Rights-Have-No-Place-In-Labour-Says-The-First-LGBT-Mayoral-Adviser?pg=1

How has the gender debate evolved, from the gender-critical perspective?
This “Greatest hits” thread is illustrative
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318916-Gender-Critical-Greatest-Hits
Also this:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317032-Using-women-as-human-shields
And a discussion around the silencing of gender-critical voices
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3273966-Twitter-banning-accounts-that-deadname-Ian-Huntley-is-not-using-his-female-name-hate-speech-now
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3262965-Good-article-today-BBC-on-the-twitter-ban-on-womens-free-speech-on-trans-issues?pg=1

“Feminism is about equality” or the related “Is feminism for men?”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331306-Feminism-is-equality
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332894-Can-a-man-teach-feminism

Are we evil?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301684-Are-we-the-baddies

Are you alone in your gender-critical thoughts?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291425-Gender-Critical-Lurkers
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277047-I-am-S-p-a-r-t-a-c-u-s

Are you affected by marital difficulties related to trans issues?
You’re not alone
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Who is Jess Bradley and why is this individual important?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

What are some of the theories about the funding of the trans activist movement?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

Why is the feminist board so careful?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

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R0wantrees · 16/08/2018 18:42

But... what about "gender-neutral" toilets? cont.
Somerville College 'dirty protest':
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3241624-dirty-protest-over-somerville-college-oxford-s-gender-neutral-loos

'Gender Neutral toiletgate' at NUS TRans 18 conference:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 18:38

But... what about "gender-neutral" toilets?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337295-DM-Women-avoiding-new-gender-neutral-toilets-in-the-home-office-because-men-cant-close-the-door

This never happens?
This is a typical response to feminists who are worried that genuine predators might pretend to be trans.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337593-Scottish-prisoner-who-raped-pregnant-victim-and-sexually-tortured-another-woman-demands-move-to-female-estate
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330210-Violent-yob-41-who-stabbed-man-in-the-liver-during-noise-row-at-apartment-block-will-serve-two-year-sentence-in-an-all-womens-jail
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324391-Paedophile-expert-warns-of-transitioning-as-a-ploy
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3273582-Sadistic-killer-who-was-born-a-man-but-sent-to-a-female-prison-for-murder-only-to-be-moved-for-sleeping-with-inmate-is-set-for-20-000-sex-change-operation

More science-themed threads?
This one if from a science teacher, being asked if humans can change sex
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3273672-I-am-a-science-teacher-teaching-secondary-sex-education-and-genetics
What about brain scans?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256462-MRI-scan-can-show-if-you-are-transgender-Apparently
A biologist weighing in?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3290736-As-a-biologist-I-can-categorically-state-that-human-willy-bearers-are-men-no-debate
Speaking of gender identity?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314245-Gender-identity-has-a-durable-biological-underpinning?pg=1
How does sex affect health care?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3313537-Sex-vs-Gender-in-medicine-and-health-care

What is "peak trans"?
This is generally the term used when someone who has slowly started to question trans activists theories reaches a point where they cannot support the ideology anymore. This usually happens in reaction to something specific, like reading a tweet that says "enjoy your erasure," seeing something disturbing about tampons, or finding out about Stefonknee Wolscht.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3252492-what-will-it-really-take-the-peak-trans-the-world

What's up with the ICD-11?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3282573-World-Health-Organisation-ICD-11-on-trans-people

Are we arguing about the wrong thing?
Is there a way to reconcile two fundamentally different world views?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3312516-Are-we-arguing-about-the-wrong-thing

An article on the problem of transphobia?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3236288-Excellent-article-on-the-problem-of-transphobia

What about school sports?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3271126-Two-boys-take-1st-and-2nd-place-in-Connecticut-girls-100m-sprint
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3271449-In-Connecticut-two-teenage-boys-who-identify-as-girls-have-come-1st-and-2nd-in-the-girls-100m-sprint

OP posts:
Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 16:31

Ha great minds Grin

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 16:31

Feminist Current has lots of good podcasts.

www.feministcurrent.com/category/podcasts/

UpstartCrow · 16/08/2018 16:31

Feminist current have some interesting podcasts;
www.feministcurrent.com/category/podcasts/

UndercoverGC · 16/08/2018 16:28

Can anyone recommend useful feminist podcasts, please?
Working my way through book recommendations, but I have more time to listen while I am doing other things.

heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 13:32

No but really, "trans women are women"?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316038-Trans-women-are-women-is-the-biggest-oxymoron-ever-written

What's going on with the Women's Equality Party?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318961-Ultimate-betrayal-by-the-WEP
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers

Does your local authority record sex as a protected characteristic in the EA 2010?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3272580-Spreadsheet-of-local-authorities-that-record-sex-not-gender-lets-complete-it-together

What impact assessments have been carried out?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268545-Twitter-thread-no-impact-assessments-carried-out-for-school-guidance-in-Scotland
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3333595-Impact-assessments
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3305473-Government-erasing-womens-voices-on-the-GRA-consultation

What about vulnerable trans kids in care?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

What's happening with youth hostels?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280690-Hostelling-Scotland-allows-men-to-self-ID-as-women-and-have-access-to-womens-dorms-and-shower-rooms

What about single-sex policies on sleeper-trains?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3209955-Row-over-women-only-sleeping-berths-on-trains-Men-V-Mumsnet

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heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 11:06

Where can I find some lighter ways of looking at this debate?
THIS: Team Sportacus thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3282452-A-temporary-cessation-of-hostilities
I am also shamelessly going to plug my own musings "trans time is time?" (not as good)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3292854-Trans-Time-An-allegory-for-this-debate

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TransplantsArePlants · 16/08/2018 08:28

Bump

WaddIelikeapenguin · 16/08/2018 00:01

Wow this was amazing when there was just the OP now it's astounding. Thank you for all the work you have done Flowers

heresyandwitchcraft · 15/08/2018 23:19

Reforming the GRA won't make a difference, because the Equality Act will remain the same?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3271672-reforming-the-gra-will-not-change-anything-because-the-ea-will-remain-the-same?pg=1
What did the government say?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269463-Government-response-to-the-petition
Are the exemptions going to be the same?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3288905-WPUK-and-the-attack-on-the-Equality-Act-exemptions
This is an interesting Supreme Court legal case that explores the Equality Act/Gender Recognition Act/and human rights
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327108-Supreme-Court-Ruling-Trans-Woman-v-Work-and-Pensions-relevant-to-womens-rights

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CigarsofthePharoahs · 15/08/2018 19:00

Excellent thread.

heresyandwitchcraft · 15/08/2018 18:21

Oh, wait, I think it's the @ in the Medium URL that is confusing the link, because it's trying to "ping" her and adding two **s. You can find the essays via Twitter, here:
twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1015875954802089984

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heresyandwitchcraft · 15/08/2018 18:17

Thanks Smile

Also, it occurs to me that apparently the link to Prof Stock's essays is unfortunately broken or wrong

The correct one is here:
medium.com/@kathleenstock

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CholloDeNombre · 15/08/2018 18:14

Not a problem, I'll signpost this way instead!

Vickyyyy · 15/08/2018 17:38

This is fantastic, I also think it should be pinned (but don't expect it to be..)

heresyandwitchcraft · 15/08/2018 17:30

Hi Chollo
Thanks for your kind words. I've thought about your question, and I am very flattered. Personally, I would prefer that people read this text on Mumsnet. So sharing a link to this thread is quite alright if you find it useful, but I'd rather people be directed to here instead of having the whole thing reproduced elsewhere, if that's okay.
This is for a couple of reasons:

  1. MN is being kind enough to still host these discussions so I would like them to have the web-traffic
  2. I don't really want other posters referenced in the thread to be too prominently trumpeted on other platforms I hope that makes sense? Thank you again.
OP posts:
Starkstaring · 15/08/2018 17:25

This thread is the one to point people to when the penny drops. Fab.

madja · 15/08/2018 17:19

How can we get this pinned @MNHQ
I think it's important that people can see this easily.

Theswaggyotter · 15/08/2018 16:33

Fantastic work, well done and thank you for this!

CholloDeNombre · 15/08/2018 16:28

This is amazing. Can I reproduce this on my feminist group's blog?

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 15/08/2018 15:46

Wow heresyandwitchcraft just wow! Will you marry me?! Also, would you mind sharing whatever substances you've been taking to give you the bloody energy to gather all of this info??

This is brilliant, MNHQ this definitely needs to be pinned.