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Husband excluding nephew with challenging behaviour

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einter · 11/06/2023 12:11

So my Nephew has challenging behaviour. He is 8.
My Brother and his Wife have mental health problems and difficulties parenting. Eldest child is in care and they have another son and she is pregnant again!
My Nephew has challenging behaviour:
When he's in your home he will go to the fridge and take food out without asking, deliberately ruin food for attention like taking bites out of a load of applies so no one can eat them. He will pretend other children have hurt him when they haven't. Tells lies about people. Screams randomly or asks for things in a REALLY loud voice. He will get very angry if he doesn't get what he wants or loses a game he's playing. He will push and smack his younger brother who is 2.
Social services are aware but seem to take a VERY passive approach to the family.

When I have my nephew on his own he is fine as he has 1-1 attention. Literally no challenging behaviour. But that's rarely possible as I have two sons.
For some reason I'm the only one who is does not display attention seeking behaviour with. I'm not sure why.

Anyway after one particular day where my nephew, destroys a lot of food in our fridge, walked all over the house in dirty shoes, jumped all over the beds with those same shoes on despite being told it would break the beds, pushed my son over almost knocking him down the stairs, dropped food all around the house and broke my sons toys, pulled my sons hair and screamed constantly. My Husband says he's protecting our children and he's not staying again or being around them.
He's arranged a big joint birthday party for our sons (both august babies) and he is insisting my nephew is not coming and that actually it's not fair to have a child like that who could be violent towards our sons friends especially the younger ones.
I can kind of understand where he's coming from with the pushing and hair pulling.
But we're also having a family birthday party and he's insisting even for the meal my nephew is not coming.

My brother and his wife are understanding and seem passive towards my nephew. They have said they don't like him either and hes 'annoying' so they can understand and try and avoid him themselves now.

AIBU to think despite all his behaviour he should be included?

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RudsyFarmer · 11/06/2023 12:14

I think on a good day I’d agree with you and on a bad day I’d say ‘not my problem’.

einter · 11/06/2023 12:14

I feel there's some things that could be put in place that could enable him to be included.
A blanket ban on a child that is challenging due to no fault of their own seems harsh.

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einter · 11/06/2023 12:15

RudsyFarmer · 11/06/2023 12:14

I think on a good day I’d agree with you and on a bad day I’d say ‘not my problem’.

Yeah. My Husband is a good guy but he's just had enough now.
Think the last home visit was the final straw to be honest.

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FrippEnos · 11/06/2023 12:19

Are you happy for your children to know that this child comes before them?

JemimaTiggywinkles · 11/06/2023 12:19

Can you compromise? Side with your husband about the party but not the family meal.

Your nephews behaviour is terrible, but he's family too. I'm not a child development specialist, but I'd bet good money that your nephew behaves well for you in one-to-one situations because he trusts that you love him. If you're the only person he's like that with I think it's important that you continue to have a close relationship with him. But not at the expense of your own children.

As an aside, if my DSis and BIL wanted a birthday meal for one nephew but deliberately excluded a different nephew I'd refuse to attend. All my nieces and nephews are equally loved by me and I would not be okay with one of them being excluded from a family celebration.

Cheeseplantt · 11/06/2023 12:21

Although your nephew clearly has difficulties, you shouldn't allow them to put the safety of your DC at risk, which happens when he is around them. I agree with your DH on this specific issue but wonder if you can spend sometime with him elsewhere so you still have a relationship with him.

I also think his parents need to do more to support him and if they cant, are you able to contact the social worker and inform them of whats going on as they may not know & may be able to provide mkre support to everyone?

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:21

I’m with your husband to be honest. I mean I feel sorry for your nephew but your dh is right that your kids are his priority (and your home) and he wants to protect them. Does the nephew behave like this at his home? Does your brother and SIL not want the behaviour to stop? What’s he like at school?

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:22

would your dh agree to him having your two children for the odd morning so you can take your nephew out for some 1-1 time? Which it sounds like he needs.

ProfessorXtra · 11/06/2023 12:24

I have to be honest. I am with your husband. I wouldn’t have a child in my house or at events that caused damage, even if it’s just to food and harmed my own children.

einter · 11/06/2023 12:25

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:21

I’m with your husband to be honest. I mean I feel sorry for your nephew but your dh is right that your kids are his priority (and your home) and he wants to protect them. Does the nephew behave like this at his home? Does your brother and SIL not want the behaviour to stop? What’s he like at school?

Brother and his Wife are inadequate parents who social services take no interest in as they don't do drugs or drink.
We have asked for help many times and voiced concerns. Both myself and my parents but while the eldest was eventually taken into care they've been passive with the youngest children.
They are officially 'children on need'.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 11/06/2023 12:25

You’re being so completely out of order to your own kids.

It’s their birthday, they shouldn’t have to share it with someone who you’ve previously let trash their belongings.

You’ve shown an inability to manage his behaviour and your kids have had to suffer. Now, to make a point about inclusivity, you’re prepared to ruin their celebration.

If this isn’t a reverse you need to have a word with yourself about your priorities.

WateryDoom · 11/06/2023 12:25

I'm on your husband's side. I'm sorry your nephew behaves like that, but I wouldn't want him in my home or around my children. He's just too much and your first duty is to protect your own children - and those of the friends who are coming.

Does he have any kind of diagnosis? Or is it just that there are no sanctions for behaving so badly? This isn't 'challenging'. This is not normal for most 8 year olds.

drpet49 · 11/06/2023 12:25

“Anyway after one particular day where my nephew, destroys a lot of food in our fridge, walked all over the house in dirty shoes, jumped all over the beds with those same shoes on despite being told it would break the beds, pushed my son over almost knocking him down the stairs, dropped food all around the house and broke my sons toys, pulled my sons hair and screamed constantly. My Husband says he's protecting our children and he's not staying again or being around them.”

^I am with your husband. I wouldn’t have this child anywhere near my children or my home.

einter · 11/06/2023 12:26

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:21

I’m with your husband to be honest. I mean I feel sorry for your nephew but your dh is right that your kids are his priority (and your home) and he wants to protect them. Does the nephew behave like this at his home? Does your brother and SIL not want the behaviour to stop? What’s he like at school?

If my Nephew was beating them up or punching them I'd agree but he's not at that level.

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einter · 11/06/2023 12:27

WateryDoom · 11/06/2023 12:25

I'm on your husband's side. I'm sorry your nephew behaves like that, but I wouldn't want him in my home or around my children. He's just too much and your first duty is to protect your own children - and those of the friends who are coming.

Does he have any kind of diagnosis? Or is it just that there are no sanctions for behaving so badly? This isn't 'challenging'. This is not normal for most 8 year olds.

Yes he has moderate learning disability and autism diagnosis.

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Babsexxx · 11/06/2023 12:28

Sorry I’d have to side with husband here as you’ll have more children there not family and that could cause real problems if he runs around attacking other peoples kids!

But the meal yeah I don’t get that! And no offence but I don’t know why your brother and his partner keep procreating clearly they are not cut out to be parents!

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:28

einter · 11/06/2023 12:26

If my Nephew was beating them up or punching them I'd agree but he's not at that level.

But he’s trashing their stuff?

Even if you disagree it’s your dh’s home as well and I do think he has the right to say he doesn’t want a particular person there. He’s not stopping you seeing him. My dh banned my mum from our home and to be honest I don’t blame him.

AnneLovesGilbert · 11/06/2023 12:28

einter · 11/06/2023 12:26

If my Nephew was beating them up or punching them I'd agree but he's not at that level.

Breaking their toys and trying to damage their furniture is fine though?

ProfessorXtra · 11/06/2023 12:29

einter · 11/06/2023 12:26

If my Nephew was beating them up or punching them I'd agree but he's not at that level.

So the level of harm he is causing your kids and distress is fine. But beating them, wouldn’t be.

When does it go from ‘acceptable violence’ to ‘unacceptable violence’. What’s the one thing that would tip it that way?

einter · 11/06/2023 12:29

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:21

I’m with your husband to be honest. I mean I feel sorry for your nephew but your dh is right that your kids are his priority (and your home) and he wants to protect them. Does the nephew behave like this at his home? Does your brother and SIL not want the behaviour to stop? What’s he like at school?

He's worst at home.
Same behaviour in school.
He's like this everywhere.
Only when he's on his own with me does this behaviour not happen.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 11/06/2023 12:30

einter · 11/06/2023 12:29

He's worst at home.
Same behaviour in school.
He's like this everywhere.
Only when he's on his own with me does this behaviour not happen.

Then you see him by yourself. You don’t inflict his damaging behaviour on your children. They’re not support humans.

Berlinlover · 11/06/2023 12:31

I’m with your husband on this one, it’s a very sad situation though.

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/06/2023 12:32

My brother and his wife are understanding and seem passive towards my nephew. They have said they don't like him either and hes 'annoying' so they can understand and try and avoid him themselves now.

I'm amazed nobody has picked this up. This is the child's parents. I think you need to contact social services as a matter of urgency and talk to them about this. That poor child.

CedezLePassage · 11/06/2023 12:33

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/06/2023 12:32

My brother and his wife are understanding and seem passive towards my nephew. They have said they don't like him either and hes 'annoying' so they can understand and try and avoid him themselves now.

I'm amazed nobody has picked this up. This is the child's parents. I think you need to contact social services as a matter of urgency and talk to them about this. That poor child.

It's very sad but I doubt SS would be interested. The level of neglect that triggers support is staggering.

traintraveller · 11/06/2023 12:35

Is this a reverse? I agree with your husband. It's bad enough you put this child before your own children but doing it on their birthday is really crap.