NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #45

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

Hockey player. And female hockey players can be married to women.

But this one is male, and visibly so.

Adult baby diaper loving community.

Ffs this tribunal gets weirder by the day.

It HAS to be televised. Where is Jerry Springer??

If he wasn't treating the person on their own merits from an employment perspective I would dispute his position. You are assuming I haven't. I actually said in my post if I disagreed with his decision I would tell him but you ignored that and decided to change "entitled to an opinion" about nationality to "affecting someone's prospects".

See how easy it is to make everything so extreme and judgemental and to be unable to separate the personal from the professional and assume no one else can?

I could have got through my whole life without finding out how Indians and Pakistanis feel about each other quite happily, but sadly that far more pleasant and peaceful parallel universe doesn't exist anymore and this is the one we have instead and I'm "complicit in racism".

A bell has suddenly started ringing for LP.....

Spot on. It's awful

Maybe people are busy in the day being employed and stuff?

N Its secondhand info. I dont think it's reliable information
J How much longer NC?
NC Probably another 5 mins
J Ok
NC Turn to p1752. Look at msg at top of that page from Gina [reads re abuse from pat and his partner...how can a 35 yr old get nappy rash.It's his human right said partner. Whats the ABDL community about do you know?
LN It's not one I'd heard on then. Its adult baby diaper loving community. About ppl who like to be trated as babies. Is Isabelle says hear [sound issues

I'm trying to break free. I realised the other day that I'd started not believing that the outside world was real.

So LP likes making jokes.

Oh so Lindsay can joke about drag queens it seems... Or basically men dressing in women's clothes... Hmmmm

Omg this is getting into weirdo fetish stuff 🙈

you get out of school at 4pm?

It's r/transgenderUK, so you'd think at least some local interest. But maybe.

Doesn't really matter - tinfoilhattery remains irrelevant and nonsensical whenever you read it. But it is funny that someone appears to be putting 50p in all the TRAs at the same time.

What is obvious is that the 7 members of this chat group knew each other well and for a long time and were comfortable talking about anything and everything in that group, never for one second thinking it would one day be read out in court.

I do feel for all of them in that respect, I've probably said some shit in messages to friends that I wouldn't say in public.

So whoever decided to give NHS Fife info from that group chat is a right shit stirring twat.

Dead.

Sad times.

DU is apparently an 'adult baby' with nappy rash......

NC I ask the questions

I don't think the adult baby was said to be DU!

I think it was LN who submitted the chats as evidence lol

NC U were one of the ppl who found it funny?
LN Yes. I'd not heard of it before
NC [new doc] Look at the comment where u say Ru Pauls drag race [reads re hoping her sons dont get into this]
LN I was making a joke.
NC [new page]
LN Can I go back to drag race?

LN Can I go back to drag race? Great line, can't wait to see context!

Really. Oh.... Jeremy Kyle might be free then..

That is not true, they were talking about a patient.

I mean on this evidence NHS Fife are going to need a couple of stern disciplinarians to come in and deal with all their foolishness

this is the saddest of sad times for Lindsay 😬😬😬

LN - I’m making a joke [about drag queens] hypocrisy much?