NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #45

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

Here comes the Stonewall Unbrella.

Wow, someone has dropped L COMPLETELY in the shit.

Ha..according to stonewall you're transphobic Lindsay

I suppose Naomi has to do this, dont much like it though.

What's it called when they send in people to run a health authority - special measures? They need that for Fife.

Oh, the abuse comment was re 'patient and his partner' I was wondering who on earth Pat is.

How can someone be so naive?

I’m so busy following, I have three other MN threads open that I haven’t even read yet!

Sad times.

Linsdey makes jokes about Ru Paul Drag race and hopes her son doesn't get into wearing diapers.

Do you think NC would ask about AGP?

They need nothing short of cleansing fire and starting again.

LN I'm making a joke that they're possibly going to dress up in drag. They wear exag clothes and makeup. I dont get yr point
NC Are u saying u dont like it as a parody of womanhood? U were making a point that y'd be pretty unhappy if yr sons dressed up in drag?
LN No, I'd try to help them
NC Not consistent
LN Its just a joke
NC [new page] MJ, Boards HR person. Sorry, Leudon - [reads re having a trans member on the team, I found this, does it look right. The bullet points incl drag king/ queen/ anyone who Ids as trans

NC [new doc] Look at the comment where u say Ru Pauls drag race [reads re hoping her sons dont get into this]
LN I was making a joke.

^ this reads to me as if LN thinks being gay and being transgender are on the same spectrum, like gay people are automatically interested in being transgender. She saying she hopes her gay son isn’t interested in drag. But why would he, just cause he’s gay?

The adult baby diaper loving community - dear Lord.

Extremely sad times.

She's dropped herself in it by sharing the chat in the first place...

She said before 'they're only interested in Sandie's bits'

As you can see now Lindsay, your messages are of interest too.

I am going to report your comments as they are not true.

I'm guessing Sandie has gone through the whole chat with a highlighter.

I strongly suspect NC would not have chosen to go down the highly personal, mudslinging route had JR not attempted to paint SP as a hard boiled racist - even if some of her comments are unsavoury.
But you reap what you sow.

He isn’t planning to be taken down in the aftermath - nurses are the little people and this is how much NHSFife cares about them.

Mad times.

I did not have the adult baby community on my bingo card.

A defn from Stonewall
LN I didnt know
NC Are u t'phobic then?
LN No drag kings and queens are ppl that entertain
NC Look back at 1751, incontext of ABDL community, we see quite a bit of chat following on re letter after LGBTABCDE..we're going to run out of letter

It’s beautiful when this happens.

The saying 'people in glass houses' springs to mind.