NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #45

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

LN I dont understand
NC [describes a manly man in the CR]
LN I dont think so
NC U dont?
LN I'd need far more background b4 calling someone a weirdo
NC Are u saying that if a man insisted being in the CR w Women to believe it wldnt provoke outrage in all the women?

[describes a manly man in the CR] Surely that's Pete?

If Jamie Doyle is able to refuse then why haven't these tittle tattle witnesses refused?

Oh. My.Christ. (channelling Pam from Gavin and Stacey)

It's all the drama!

They wanted to be there?

This is not credible, of course you would object to a Man, ANY Man in the F CR.

Hypothetical plumber entering the women’s changing room while women are undressing.

I'll shortly be heading out and won't be back until very late or tomorrow. As a precaution against you all filling this thread in the meantime, I've started thread #46:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46

Or seniority and being a man.

Doyal had a solicitor advising him.

Might be rethinking their choices now methinks.

He can be his true, authentic self, and take it to work with him. Or something.

[silence] NC They'd take it in their stride?
LN [pause] Maybe call the police? [missed] I feel I'd try to find out more about the sitn and maybe phone the police
NC Y'd be outraged and wonder about his motives, y'd think a voyeur or exhibitionist?

Maybe that's what SP should've done

@boiledbeetle is that to the tune of "My Old Man's A Dustman"?

So far it seems to be a colleague called Gina calling Dr Upton a 'weirdo', not SP

Does everyone else imagine this being sung to the tune of my old man’s a dustman?

Thanks @nauticant

So it turns out that there is evidence of SP’s racism after all?

Yes.

Or they were told that they just needed to come and talk about the racist jokes. Nice day out, stories down the pub for years, no down side.

it would be unkind to ask how that’s going

Dont feed the troll 😑

Has JR objected to this line of questioning yet? It can't be long before she does.

It seems so, but it still doesn't make her transphobic or mean that she hasn't got a right to a single sex changing room.

Oh...what curious timing..

DON'T FEED THE TROLL

can we all collectively agree to not respond to the troll?

Nope. But just a couple of days ago everyone insisted it was all just made up and no evidence for it whatsoever.