NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #42

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

As a frivolous aside, I love all the red jackets and suits in court. It reminds me of mid-90s workwear but with the bliss of TRAINERS instead of chunky heeled loafers.

Just so controlling. It’s not enough that I’m in the women’s changing room. I will get pleasure from hounding those that don’t affirm me by undressing with me.

All the mystery around 'weird incidents' sounds very contrived when the obvious explanation is that she simply doesn't want to share a changing room with a man.

He can consider that transphobic and disrespectful, but it doesn't make the explanation less obvious.

Ooh , the poor wee vulnerable narcissist :(

Unless JB puts in a strong and convincing performance, I think what NC will take from this is that NHSF clearly felt this was an important matter, but didn't deal with it in a proper forensic way, ie spent money on it, and, as was typical, felt that Upton should be given considerable latitude because they didn't want to challenge him properly.

This would imply calling PD is an act of desperation by JR because she knows that JB testimony is damning. In the evidence-in-chief it was JR who first broached questions not of process but of opinion was it not? She has stretched it and so it seems reasonable given that she did that then the panel would follow. But it is clear it is not fact just his opinion as to whether the info as been messed with by DU so that's probably why J let it go?

Dunno

A break? Good, I can you all about my sad times, a bee went down the front of my shirt yesterday and stung me on the sternum and it is very very sore. And the bee died so that was sad too.

No tears because I am a heartless insensitive hag. But an in pain heartless insensitive hag.

very very sad times

it is such a narcissistic mental illness isnt it!

When DU gave evidence at the ET in Feb - a lot of DU evidence of SP's behaviour was like this .... she didn't smile at me/she didn't compliment my hair sort of stuff

In some of the the exchanges DU was aggressive - ie the one with Rihanna. Rihanna asked SP about the patient and SP replied to Rihanna. DU was outraged not to be personally acknowledged and started waving in SP's face.

A lot of these incidents seem to stem from DU wanting to be acknowledged and embraced as "one of the girls" rather than briskly as a temp colleague - he demanded what he thought was "girly behaviour" from the women at work such as smiles, little waves and compliments on clothes. DU needed everyone to embrace the trans-id

Charlotte Elves was excellent with her cross examination. Look forward to hearing from her more.
I wonder if Mr Borthwick (silent th?) is SP's witness and therefore JR will be doing the cross exam. Bring it on. Judging from this morning's performance she is not comfortable with techy stuff.

It's written like a bad AIBU post. It just needs a convoluted backstory involving "There's this person, let's call her Annie" and a "So now we fast forward to today"...

And who writes things like 'Sad times' other than a completely self-absorbed child?

I've written notes on my phone about incidents as they've happened but they've just been a list of very quick notes with brief phrases and words to act as an aide memoire. That's a written up narrative with The Fragrant Dr as the tragic main character.

From reading his 'contemporaneous' note of the cr confrontation, the tears seem to come from nowhere.

Call back to previous thread. I'm sorry but I don't like the name 'Beth'. I think it's the 'th' on the end. It seems unfinished. Your tongue is just left waving in your mouth. I'd probably call him 'Beff', possibly 'Bee'.

That’s what this whole ideology is about, control.

Its mad aswell because most of ‘the girls’ seem to bend over backwards for him and yet all his focus was on the ones that didnt..

Sad Times and the Wall of Sad

or do you think we should avoid the repetition?

Oh Deano that sounds horrible! Poor you!

Apropos of nothing, The Barbie movie came out in 2023.

@DeanElderberry Try toothpaste on the sting.

sad times entirely making me think of this

Tamzin Outwith😁

Most A&E doctors I know don't have time to go to the loo let alone write notes on who smiled at them.

Unless you are already looking to build a case - why would smiling and waving even matter in a chaotic A&E

In just my socks take refuge in the plaster room. I'm sure she noticed, but I'm not giving her the chance to try anything.

Uugh, this creepy note taking and obsession with Sandie in the changing room

I'd walk out too if I found Upton changing. And that's without knowing he's constantly writing about staff. He gives me the shivers..

The SAD TIMES, reporting BREAKING NEWS:
Horrid Old Hag DIDN'T SMILE at Stunning And Brave Woman in Changing Room! Next Up: Suspension?!

And of Dr Upton's narrative, nothing there sounds like it was anything other than "Sandie doesn't like me, doesn't think I'm a woman and she only gives me basic professional courtesy rather than full validation and fawning - IT'S NOT FAIR, EVERYONE ELSE LOVES ME"

Those aren't a few quick notes made at the time, are they? That's a whole self-pitying essay written up over time, with additions. It reads like heavily revised and edited text.