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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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nauticant · 21/07/2025 09:18

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

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BezMills · 21/07/2025 10:20

From TT (1 hour ago)

The fourth day of the July hearing of Peggie vs NHS Fife & Dr B Upton is due to start at 10am.
We anticipate a discussion regarding NHS Fife's statement of 18.7.2025 before the next witness, Charlotte Myles, is called.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 21/07/2025 10:20

Jitrenka · 21/07/2025 10:13

Apparently there has been another amendment to the NHSF statement!!

https://x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1947195904538386899

So they have essentially dropped the 'to be clear'

The original wording was a little teenage diary / Adrain Mole

Jitrenka · 21/07/2025 10:20

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 21/07/2025 10:18

NHS Fife media relations/website team needs to go on holiday now.

My eyes are suffering 😵‍💫

They have earned their years worth salary in one weekend by burying their bosses 😆

RocketPanda · 21/07/2025 10:20

Afoolandtheirmoney · 21/07/2025 10:20

Just curious to know the age span of posters on here.
I’m 77

54

Chrysanthemum5 · 21/07/2025 10:20

The changing room he used was used by female nurses and junior doctors. The consultants had their own room and if Searle etc were so keen on him they could have invited him there. But they didn't they just let him use the other changing room without anyone even bothering to tell the nurses it would be happening

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/07/2025 10:20

SidewaysOtter · 21/07/2025 10:19

On the TERF picnic topic from the last thread, I can bring a potato salad? I make a good one, if I say so myself. You need a good waxy potato, a mix of (proper) mayonnaise with a dollop of salad cream, and some chopped spring onions.

I've started using garlic vegan mayo with celery chopped very small.

NImumconfused · 21/07/2025 10:20

RocketPanda · 21/07/2025 10:20

54

Me too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2025 10:21

Datun · 21/07/2025 10:16

Years ago, when this all kicked off, I genuinely thought it would only take one newspaper's headlines, and the whole country would go, ahh, ugh, and that would be that.

In a way, I'm almost glad it didn't. Because this sort of exposure, the startling self entitlement, lack of empathy, and insane claims really nails it home that as an ideology, it's simply not to be accommodated. Ever.

Even the terminally ideological, relentless be kinders will be thinking there's no fucking way we can ever cave to this without losing every shred of our reputation, and every penny of our money.

Edited

This.

BezMills · 21/07/2025 10:21

Newly minted 50 here.

RobinStrike · 21/07/2025 10:21

Afoolandtheirmoney · 21/07/2025 10:20

Just curious to know the age span of posters on here.
I’m 77

69

AnnaMagnani · 21/07/2025 10:21

50 next week!

GreenFriedTomato · 21/07/2025 10:21

53 here

ApolloandDaphne · 21/07/2025 10:21

I am 62.

CompleteGinasaur · 21/07/2025 10:22

63, me.

myplace · 21/07/2025 10:22

Arriving late, but would like to thank the PPs on the last thread for heartwarming tales of colleague support. I’m a bit teary as is always my way when I’m overtired and over busy! I’d be no good in A&E!

Mrsmounjaro · 21/07/2025 10:22

39

teksquad · 21/07/2025 10:22

40s, be careful this isnt a TRA plant so they can try and write us off as 'biddies' and 'crones' again.

snickersbarchild · 21/07/2025 10:22

24 x 2

SidewaysOtter · 21/07/2025 10:22

Jitrenka · 21/07/2025 10:13

Apparently there has been another amendment to the NHSF statement!!

https://x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1947195904538386899

Blimey, someone bought the squirrels fresh supplies of Red Bull. Those massive cans with enough caffeine to keep you awake for a week, by the looks of it.

Signalbox · 21/07/2025 10:22

54

rebmacesrevda · 21/07/2025 10:22

BezMills · 21/07/2025 10:12

Big Sond has his normal court baffies on, much to JR's relief.

There's a well-worn Hoggs of Fife carrier bag in the corner, that looks about the right size to have a pair of size 12 arse-kickin bits in it. Big Sond has made sure it's quite clearly visible to both the Barristers. Nothing that happens in his chambers is an accident, he's done wi this pish.

I'm from Edinburgh and we've always had a bit of pidgin French on the go among pals. You've got me wondering whether everyone in Scotland does it!

I've unconsciously renamed Big Sond: Le Grand Sond.
Wee Sandie: La petite Sondite, which means "little probe" in French. I like it!

MagicSexEssence · 21/07/2025 10:22

I'm 34 and it's almost my baby's nap time so looking forward to keeping up for an hour or so.

Jitrenka · 21/07/2025 10:23

RocketPanda · 21/07/2025 10:20

54

47 here..

GCITC · 21/07/2025 10:23

Blank screen is normal for everyone asking. It hasn't started yet.

And I'm mid 30s.

DustyWindowsills · 21/07/2025 10:24

Afoolandtheirmoney · 21/07/2025 10:20

Just curious to know the age span of posters on here.
I’m 77

60

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