NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

Fair shout. maybe Tim Roca the Labour MP who isn’t keen on women especially those with 😵‍💫 eyes

I’m 47 and that’s also my guesstimate for the final thread count.

I've had WTTC and now a black screen and list of observers. It was like this on Friday and then suddenly sprang into life with sound and visuals.

If Sandie's team are parking further action on the Statement in order to prioritise cracking on with her case, as I would expect, it shouldn't disrupt things too much.

Given this judge is clearly in favour of open justice I would hope that he'd extend that principle to discussions about Friday's statement but I can see he might well decide in the circs to deal with it in a closed session.

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67

OMG!

I haven't got my wait, what? face ready yet!

I am so lovin the idea of a squirrel with a red bull sat at a computer furiously typing away 😆

Sounds good! My recipe is just boiled new potatoes, mayo, mustard and salt.

I forgot about my Celeriac remoulade for the picnic! It's so good that even dubious people are brought round to it.

@BezMills Better make it clear again you are not actually in there watching and the commentary is glorious immagination.

Thanks to nauticant.

Are they being this utterly perplexingly incompetent on purpose or something?

Who is in charge exactly?

58 - off for a shift now so hoping you lot won't be on thread 50 by the time I get back!

I love celeriac remoulade!

Celery? You sully a perfectly good potato salad with CELERY?

<shudders>

Celery is only for when I want food with stringy hair-like bits in it and which tastes of rancid water.

There have been several responses that it’s common for female doctors to use the nurses’ changing facilities.

Uf SP’s legal team consider the matter to be relevant, I trust in their expertise and understanding and that they would mention it.

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Squirrel Nutkins?

49

I've got a real thing for celery at present. I use it in my tomato sauces and everything.

36 - maternity leave is the only way I can keep up with you lot!

I'm in my thirties

There are quite a few French loaners in Scots, not sure if there are more in Fife than elsewhere.

What we do have, in common with other E Coast dialects in Scotland and N England, is a lot of Dutch-sounding words, which could be from old Danish or old Dutch. Either way, it's a linguistic legacy of the cultural links crossing the North Sea.

Example, this sentence 'Ye ken ma dochter' is perfectly understood in both the Netherlands and Fife and other E-Scots areas.

71 (hopefully not swivel-eyed)

Mid-40s.

Don't tell them Pike!
I'm often told to act my age not my shoe size. My shoe size is 37.

Who originally said 'NHSF squirrels on Red Bull'? I need to know to salute you properly, it's so funny and I've quoted it a few times already😄