NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

I'm in but the screen is black? The text at the bottom just gives clerk details. Is this the same for everyone? I've just rushed back to log in and am a little past the hour.

Aw, bless. 😍Did you keep her?

oh @BezMills - will there be a test for fluency in Fifelaise at the end of the Tribunal?
(its very very funny - I read bits out loud in a very dreadful accent to Mr B)

Big Sond has his normal court baffies on, much to JR's relief.

There's a well-worn Hoggs of Fife carrier bag in the corner, that looks about the right size to have a pair of size 12 arse-kickin bits in it. Big Sond has made sure it's quite clearly visible to both the Barristers. Nothing that happens in his chambers is an accident, he's done wi this pish.

I managed to get a blackberry and apple jam recipe from my Mum's pal who makes the best jams! I'm excited to do it this year but the blackberries aren't out for us yet this far north.

Morning all! That's me clocked in for today's shift.

Pup Sandy is adorable! And that photo can be read symbolically. She's calm but watchful, there in her own space, but she won't give up her bone for anything.

Apparently there has been another amendment to the NHSF statement!!

https://x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1947195904538386899

I'm in but I can't see anything, just a black screen with the name of the clerk to the tribunal at the bottom. Is this the same for everyone?

Oh boy i nearly snorted in my tea.
Thank goodness today is my day off.

Someone said it was only band 7. If so, I'm not surprised.

I assume that the next stage will be claims of discrimination on basis of gender reassignment because of enforcement of single sex provision.

I suspect many would be hard to prove. I could imagine a case where Jack comes into work the next day as Jill, pretty frock, long haired wig, plastered on make up and the boss calls him into the office and says, "here's your P45," and that would look like direct discrimination and ought to win.

But what sort of case could Upton mount?

Years ago, when this all kicked off, I genuinely thought it would only take one newspaper's headlines, and the whole country would go, ahh, ugh, and that would be that.

In a way, I'm almost glad it didn't. Because this sort of exposure, the startling self entitlement, lack of empathy, and insane claims really nails it home that as an ideology, it's simply not to be accommodated. Ever.

Even the terminally ideological, relentless be kinders will be thinking there's no fucking way we can ever cave to this without losing every shred of our reputation, and every penny of our money.

They've just taken the orphan statement at the bottom off, as Maya F calls it. But have kept in the nonsensical bit about Sex Matters in that paragraph - because that is now the only place in the whole statement that mentions SM, so it just looks weird.

God they're incompetent.

Good point someone made about why Dr Upton didn't use the female doctor's changing room.....why the nurses' changing room? Less senior, so less protected?

Just want to thank @123ZYX for the tip about Press Reader (for accessing paywalled content) as I have checked and my local library has this. I have a library account, but never remember to check for stuff like this.

I've got a grey screen with a name at the bottom. But I'm in.

Um - any Tunnocks left? I've just made a fresh pot of coffee.

<opens fresh box>

@Justabaker, help yourself! There's wafers or teacakes, but no coconut ones. I'm not sure of the point of them, really. They're an unnecessarily gussied up teacake?

I've been introducing the teenagers to the series 'Tiger King' - I'm beginning to wonder if that series might be the perfect preparatory material for the absurdity of the Gender Wars.

No, she's getting ready for adoption. She appears to be a whippet lurcher and is very sweet and brilliant at her training.

NHS Fife media relations/website team needs to go on holiday now.

My eyes are suffering 😵‍💫

I picked mine a couple of weeks ago (S facing) and have just had blackcurrant jam on toast for a late breakfast. I was so chuffed to have beaten the birds to it for the first time in a few years!

This is what's so insidious. I really hope its brought out in questioning at some point.

On the TERF picnic topic from the last thread, I can bring a potato salad? I make a good one, if I say so myself. You need a good waxy potato, a mix of (proper) mayonnaise with a dollop of salad cream, and some chopped spring onions.

The man objection seems to be that everyone can now clearly see how one sided and unprofessional the health board's procedures have been, and it is all down to Sex Matters ( for bringing the case in the first instance)

Just curious to know the age span of posters on here.
I’m 77