NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

So this witness has just confirmed Sandie was suspended just for daring to say to a a bloke he shouldn't be in the ladies, and multiple nurses felt the same way. (So for expressing her GC beliefs, & seeking to protect her bodily privacy protected in the UK Equality Act and international human rights from a man) . There were no concerns about anything else- not rudeness, not leaving a patient etc.

from TT
that allegation is what we see, that she had approached a trans id man in the CR and shouldnt' be there because he's a woman. Nothing there about her manner LC -no just the doctor was feeling after.

Link for you -

https://www.nhsstaffbenefits.co.uk/deal/turnberry-stays-nhs-discount

Don't forget smells are an issue for anyone who has a sensory issue. Eg - it could be a problem to not take into account someone who is autistic and has a particular aversion to particularly strong smells IF politely requesting they switch to something less anti-social and then the person ignores this and persist and makes a point of taking smelly food around someone.

You would be looking at potential discrimination and harassment.

Oh @BezMills this is fab 🤣🤣🤣👍

I agree it would be better if the Equality Act specifically recognised asexuality, but I believe that, were it to arise, the courts would take the view that a lack of attraction towards any of the three groups mentioned is a sexual orientation.

You corner somebody to stop them escaping. You don't corner someone when you want them to get out.

I found it difficult enough to c&p your tweets over and reformat them because for some reason it pastes as a block of text as quickly as I could, the TT team's skill at getting the tweets out in real time is incredible and much appreciated.

Pobodies nerfect and all that, plus we have other news feeds that help bridge any bits the TT team might have missed.

Enjoy your drink, you deserve it! 💐

Hurrah, entire NHS is a Trump supporter then! 😉

Again this shows how bad management is. You don't engage in this sort of gossip with staff.

Quick suspend all the senior management that authorised this racist move.

I am no fan of Trump but if we are going to demonise everyone who's ever used one of his facilities, there's going to be a lot of travellers and golfers we will need to ostracise.

That’s so very sad. We don’t give nearly enough credit to these ppl and what they go through just doing their jobs.

Just fyi if you have notepad on your pc, you can paste it there and it will take out all the odd formatting.

That is appalling! Surely these horrible women need to be heavily censored by someone who is competent. She has basically made stuff up about SP!

My blood pressure has shot up again reading about these lies

Ive asked this before (not of you) and never had an answer. Direct discrimination is defined as “because of” a PC, not because of a PC held by the person complaining of discrimination. In other words B doesn’t have to specifically have that PC. In contradistinction, indirect discrimination can only be unlawful “when because of a PC held by B”.

That usually comes in to play in discrimination by perception.

But I also infer from this that you cannot lawfully discriminate against someone who doesn’t hold the PC of GR, which is the prohibition against positive discrimination (unless a specific exemption applies). Because that is treating the non-GR person to a detriment because of a PC.

Is that fair?

He had just read online that SP was racist, and when I asked for evidence he said she had stayed in a Trump hotel. I pointed out that NHS staff get a discount in Trump hotels so she is unlikely to be the only one - does that mean everyone in the NHS is racist?

These clowns played Judge, Jury and Executioner on Upton's version of events only and were thrilled to do so.

There was clearly NO attempt made to get SP's version of events or to handle the matter in a fair and impartial manner.

I can hear the cries of Burn the witch, burn, burn, burn the witch.

Careful now a trap is being set

not sure if everyone here has access to TT on X. if not, just a reminder you can follow on
https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

I imagine sometimes TT cant believe their ears, especially when others present are going what the fuck....

There are stenographers this time, witnesses wont be able to deny what they said. TT are not stenographers, they are unpaid volunteers who do a very good job.

When the attempt to deny them access came out I emailed pointed out they were a lot more accurate than the mainstream press.

LC if Beth sees herself as female then she has a right to be there, advice from EDI
This is what NC is picking apart; more dismantling than demolition, Bez

Midwives eat their own more readily than nurses do, I'd stake good money on that.

I have a feeling they may get in trouble for not reporting the racism smear. If you’re going to claim to report everything, that’s what you have to do.

Skewered!

Sits back on own hands

That is fair and I think that is how the courts would approach it.