NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

The statement has the air, to me at least (and I used to be involved in this sort of thing) of having been drafted and then repeatedly amended, probably by very senior people keen to get their own point in. E.g. there are several grammatical errors, including one in the first sentence ("NHS Fife is setting out its position on a number of matters related to the ongoing employment tribunal and provide clarity around some of the misinformation circulating around the tribunal case that NHS Fife is defending."). That suggests to me that no one person has been in control of the changes, nor made responsible for proofreading and sense checking, which, again, suggests it's been very hastily put together.

I hope someone, somewhere, has a "Track all changes" version of it, because that would be absolutely fascinating - the metadata is very rich in docs like that (which is why you always, ALWAYS pdf them before you send them to anyone).

Numerous versions suggest it's been thrown together in a rush and someone wanted to press fire at 4pm regardless of what the legal eagles were saying

I've just found a pic of the Fife press office. And the DEI office. And the investigation department. And the policy team. And...

The earliest archive version has a time-stamp of 14.31 so the statement would have been up several hour before close of play.

A tracked changes version? We'd love to see that. Ask them for your medical notes and see if they send it to you.

I hope someone, somewhere, has a "Track all changes" version of it, because that would be absolutely fascinating - the metadata is very rich in docs like that (which is why you always, ALWAYS pdf them before you send them to anyone).

Given Fife's track record, they've probably already sent it as a Word document to several thousand patients on the orthopaedic waiting list.

Is the archive time GMT (where as we are on BST)

My god. I walk away for one minute and a bottle of wine and you guys have filled 20 pages! Have you nothing better to do on a Friday night?!

I don't suppose the CEO of NHSF has any responsibility for any of this has she? Or any involvement in the drafting of the statement or the signing off of same. Nah, not a chance.

Oh Carol (remember Neil Sedaka 😊)

Can anyone track your word docs? 😱 Tell
me it’s not so!

I am but a foo-oo -ool

I've now uploaded for me what was Version 2. I don't think I have ever seen this before where literally you are reading things and they disappear in front of your eyes. I'm behind on the thread so you may now be onto further versions. Surely good practice would be to label the versions.

I'd also like to express my appreciation of @BezMills italicized internal monologue. Can we sign you up now for the Darlington nurses case?

Or perhaps each case needs the local character. How is your Durham accent?

This is insane. I was out for part of the day and have spent hours trying to catch up, but I don't think it's possible. I suspect battling colleagues are busy adding and removing each others comments in the document and attempting to publish their own one. And anyone with any sense (if there is anyone with sense still involved) is probably trying to leave the country.

Definitely prison. <cock crows three times>

With the obligatory blue-haired they/them in attendance

I have the page open in my browser right now, opened directly from the NHS Fife website just before 9pm. It's where I copied the paragraph about Sex Matters from. If it's not there now, I truly have no idea what's going on. 😧

Paging @nauticant - we're nearly at 1000 posts.... is Thread 32 already lurking in the wings? We're going to need it in about 10 minutes at current rates!

Continuatoin thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32

It's ready and waiting 😂

'git blame' is the relevant command for finding who made changes to code in git repositories.

Well to be fair, neither does who ever is writing statements on behalf of NHS Fife.

They thought they'd be out the door and in the pub by 4 .30pm but it didn't quite work out that way.

Tracked changes on Word is when a document is edited and it shows what edits were made by whom.

Just to say thanks to everyone, despite sitting on my arse following all day I just can't keep up so haven't been commentating. I can't believe the fuckery.

If it's in Word, you have to switch it on deliberately, but if you're using e.g. Google Docs, it's in there from the start so you need to cleanse the doc before sending it to anyone who doesn't need to know about the fighting that's gone on!