JR - refers to bundle - issues prior to incident can you read to yourself and I will ask you of your awareness of this. Can everyone read this to themselves.
JR - what strong beliefs
Lc - that Sandie was not happy with Beth in changing room
JR - conv Peggie in Oct where?
Continues where Ikky left off from TT:
LC - in the handover area
JR - what did she say
LC - she would like to hightlight what she had discussed with ED. Not happy with Beth changing with her I said that was aware of concerns also aware that ED had spoken to EDI and using that advice. Use other changing rm if wanted
LC - said she would check with ED to see ifany change in policy
JR - Mentioned alt
LC - main in older building in the basement and the well being room, has a locked door can be used by any member of staff, and the pubic rooms where i have witnessed her changing in the past
JR you said you were going to check with ED
LC-= Yes I did, was there any further guidance? She said no it still stands.
JR - Would you describe if you relayed this back to SP
LC - yes
JR - when?
LC - no, I didn't Sandie only works night shifts, I didn't see her, I don't recall
JR - any awareness of SP DU interactions
LC - no direct communication, was aware Sandie not happy , not brought to me as manager
JR how?
LC - just other conversations - that she will walk out of cubicles, not happy
JR -( sound dropped )
refers top P463 to top of 464 Q2
JR - take a moment to read. Where did this take place this conv?
LC - in the consultant corridor outside my office
JR - the acc gives no names, who was involved?
LC - it was obvious who it was
JR -= she describes there was a diff what did Dr Searle say
LC That a conv had taken place in CR not very nice, confrontational, left Beth upset, scared and vulnerable. I said can I ask which nurse and nature of conv. That Sandie said she shouldn't change in there because...
..female. That LC not sure what to do, get advice from HR. Knew nothing to do immediately as Sanie not on shift tif following eve Sat 30 Dec
JR Who did you contact from HR?
LC Didn't as none there. Contacted Jamie
JR Why did Dr S contact you?
Because I'm the manager
LC - I made a note of the conv
JR after Searle when did you speak to Jamie.
LC The following day, around 12 oclock
JR 15 December - conversation with Jamie Doyle - please read. where did it take place
LC - in his office, clinicial nurse mgrs office. Around 12 -1 oclock
JR = would you explain why you spoke to him
LC - most sen. mgr on site that day. He is more educated experience in this
LC I said I had been approached by Dr Searle that a serious complaint was made, told the extent of the complaint. Relating to situation and Sandie had advised
..Beth had no right to be there as not female. The doctor was considering reporting to the police as a hate incident. What was his response He said we should go and look at the ED policy which led us to the bullying policy and the NMC code of conduct and we would need to seek
..HR advice on this
JR - P 537 - and at 538 - the definitions of bullying and harrassment. What were your thoughts?
LC - protected chara of gender reass and sexual orientation.
JR - Looking at p549 - examples of bullying behaviour
LC - unacceptable tone, mainly the threatening behaviour
Jr - examples of harassing behaviours = types
LC - yes gender reassignment, gender identity, failure to use requested pronouns
Why is this relevant
LC - because trans people come under protected charas