NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

It's a bit of a drive by shooting from our perspective. We're thinking about whether we need to respond, but I'm not thinking it's necessary. Our friends and followers don't need us to do it - our critics and haters will never be appeased.

A wee question for those who've followed Naomi for a while - has her imaginary friend "Pete the Plumber" made appearances in other cases too?

I used random in its proper sense not a derogatory sense. We’ve no idea who will have found themselves available but there will be someone

That's the ICO who have the ability to issue unlimited fines, isn't it?

That ICO.

They don't much like not being taken seriously.

And yes it is highly unusual for them to issue statements like this.

I need that shock face, unlimited fines, 😲

So what LC in effect said, as woman, in 2025, post Supreme Court Judgement, was:

I think women should change in front of men
I think anyone who doesn't hold this view is prejudiced
and I think all judges will agree with me!!

And yet for unfathomable reasons the Environment Agency have chosen her to represent them in the Employment Tribunal against them and Andreas Mueller, where the claimant is looking to have the SEEN network shut down. Considering she said the FWS ruling was 'abstract' and only relevant to Scottish boards I am not hopeful.

This case is a total bin fire. Every one of these case you think it can't get any madder. That the lunacy has to have some kind of boundaries. But no, they just keep digging their own grave, with a fucking JCB now.

noted. I’ve had a day of people making mistakes at work and causing problems through misuse of language. I should have known the denizens of this part of mumsnet would use language properly!

And we're only 3 days in 😂

@Justabaker do you know whether the eminent KC you mentioned yesterday was also observing today? Whoever it was, I would love any news of how s/he reacted to today's events...

I think responding simply would show how much integrity and indeed the very simplicity of what you’re doing. People have been trying to hide this abuse and sidelining by organisations of their employees. You and the team are dedicated in bringing light and clarity into the situation by airing the proceedings. Have a think - but may be worth something for the record. 🙌

Yes please!

Have just sent a donation to their Hampstead Ladies pond fund.

In a week that junior doctors are looking for a pay rise Dr Upton isn’t a great representation of professionalism is he?
Leaving on one of the busiest shifts of the year because someone used some hurty words. Then made up a lie to get that person sacked.

this explains it - NHS Fife was reluctant to release the costs data - it had to be poked by the IC. Now its saying it didn't;t do that - the IC is not happy.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25325958.nhs-fife-faces-new-foi-probe-sandie-peggie-case/?ref=twtrec

NHS Fife is "surprised and disappointed" at what the Information Commissioner says. Michael Foran comments "Sweet Jesus. Just. Stop. DIGGING." 😁

x.com/michaelpforan/status/1946288822146265223

Its a bit more than a Bin fire, bin fires are contained. The impact of this will go far and wide.

And I’ve just signed up to give a monthly donation. I hope they do well out of this latest shambles!

Or at least try to roll them in glitter

Yes, I'm pretty sure he was brought up at the ERCC ET and perhaps for this one too but in February.

This was an image from then.

Isla is starting to look lfar from the least competent employee NHS Fife has on their payroll.

@Justabaker you provide a valuable service that enables open justice for as many members of the public as possible. It’s only people who don’t want the truth out in the open that can criticise you.

As Michelle Obama said when they go low you go high.

Annabelle Ewing quoted in the Scottish press" At the same time, the application of the key principles of fairness and equality of treatment under the law appear to have been sadly lacking."

Yep.

Fife's own witnesses this week have shown the shambles that exists within the organisation with incompetent staff and no proper procedures.

I think Fife went into this with a fair amount of hubris - they expected SP to just accept her scolding and suspension. So they made the - IMHO - very unwise decision to fund a joint defence with DU without even considering that NHS Fife and DU might have divergent interests on some points and they really needed to distance themselves on come points where it is clear that SP and DU were not treated equally in the investigation.

They didn't expect SP to come out fighting and to be equally well funded. They thought they'd have the upper hand and could obfuscate, hide evidence etc and it would never come to light.

So SP hiring NC has really pssed them off. So today it seems like they actually got pssed and decided to lash out.

I have a vision of anyone who have ever been on the board at NHS Fife frantically rewriting their CV to remove that fact.

What can I put instead? I lost these years to drugs, alcohol and prostitution? Yep that way less embarrassing than I was on the board at Fife and probably makes me more employable too.