NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

You don't have to imagine it - we have Bez to do that for us😃

Good luck tomorrow Bez!🏊

Tbh I'm enjoying this a little more than is quite right, I think, given how serious it is. I really Naomi and the rest of SP's team are being paid, not acting pro bono; they're probably all paid more than me, but even so I'd be willing to contribute to getting them paid if necessary. They probably just saw their weekend go up in smoke.

The original statement was c&p into a couple of posts earlier in this thread. About the middle find the posts just marginally before 4pm

https://x.com/newsandpics/status/1946230387853656517 original statement here

The statement is back up with an extra repetition at the end

"* NHS Fife is not seeking to suggest that Sex Matters have contributed to the behaviour or issues mentioned above."

This is how it first appeared, posted on this page at 16.33
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Super helpful, thank you

Honestly, you've dodged a bullet. Somnabulating through it was much like that scene in Airplane where a passenger douses himself with gasoline and whips out a match rather than listen to Ted Striker bang on any more about how a woman (sorry, "womb-haver") wronged him.

A situation not entirely dissimilar to this case actually.

https://x.com/BBCbreakingNewt/status/1946270695316463896

I feel like they're confusing Sex Matters with your average TRA Reddit or Twitter contributor.

Did we ever get clarity on who actually decided to formally suspended Sandie, pending investigation?

I understand her line manager put her on special leave over Christmas, as she couldn't reach HR.

I don't know how staff keep up with all these managers and shenanigans.

@Waitwhat23 I'm hours behind, but if not already answered, what does 'molocates them' mean? Thanks.

This is the latest amended version, I think. https://archive.ph/OCxq7

With the earliest archive version of the statement from 18 Jul 2025 14:31:

https://archive.ph/wh9UE

I seemed to have missed the bit of TT where they discuss the NHS Fife statement. Am I being daft? I’m seeing quotes from JRs response but not the actual section of TT

I don't know how staff keep up with all these managers and shenanigans

They couldn't remember either. And only a fool would have taken notes. Or admitted they had taken notes. Or admitted they had taken notes and produced them on request of the tribunal.

That was archived at 18 Jul 2025 16:44.

The press release is fun, but let’s not forget that today gave us yet another NHS Fife employee unable to determine the sex of an individual. Does LC believe Upton is a man or not a man? The answer is Yes to both questions, depending on whether it was NC or JR who asked.

Can any inference be drawn from?

• NHS fife has not been present in court for the last couple of days
• NHS Fife has made what appears to be an ill-judged statement
• JR, KC for NHS, appears surprised when existence of the statement is announced in the tribunal

If anybody wants to donate to Sex Matters, of which NC is Chair, as a gesture of appreciation to NC and the rest of SP's team, this is their donation page:
Donate to Sex Matters - Sex Matters

Did you never see the musical /film Kinky Boots? It's about drag queens looking for suitable footwear and a shoe factory which is going out of business getting into the trans/drag queen market.

In short, batter them.

I hadn't realised that it's a Scots specific word and so confused a few people!

https://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/sndns2594

They hoodwinked SP. Called her in for a meeting with a breezy 'you are ok to continue without a Union Rep '? And suspended her.

From 13/2/25
ED - in my office, AS was there also
JR - what did you say
ED - mostly it was chat with AS, about the suspension, and the IX process, we also checked that SP was happy for the meeting to go forward and for her to be unrepresented. The decision for everyone's safety was to...

No HR involvement.

Yeah you are correct procedure not followed.

Shit show.

It's all in thread #16.

Dictionaries of the Scots Language:: SND :: sndns2594 (dsl.ac.uk)

To beat up, batter

It was Jamie Doyle. He advised today’s witness to check policy to find something to back it up (my interpretation) but clear that DU was demanding nothing less than suspension and threatening to report a hate crime to police (also my interpretation). The fear of police involvement was all it took for JD to make that decision and he is the only party not being called to testify. Infer what you like from the fact that the man is excused.