NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

And we're back in action

Oof, after the stress of the footy last night with the most nerve wracking pens I think I've ever seen we get this cliffhanger. I'm on a sun lounger on my hols, promised the kids I'll be in the pool now and can't tear away from my iPad.

Or maybe Kate Searle sent it to let everyone know that the Comms team condemns Sandie Peggie too.

It’s the linguistic gymnastics

She agrees he is male but as he identifies as a woman that’s all it takes for her to believe he is a woman. They would have you believe that woman is about gender and female is biology

TBF to NHS Fife, the Judge probably did want to finish at 3pm. If this is a ploy to prevent TT from live Tweeting, I will be very disappointed.

I wonder whether JR knew that press release was coming?

[The reminds me; I must revisit "The Thick of It". I have visions of Malcom Tucker wandering round the Fife Boardroom in an absolute rage].

Interesting that the complaint about the accuracy of TT came from a concerned member of the public. I suppose that's why Sandie's team are paying for a stenographer.

Whoever has spent the last few hours drafting and circulating that obviously hasn't spent any time following the tribunal today. NHS Fife's own witnesses and the paper trail have all indicated that Sandie's alleged conduct on the ward and the impact on patient care wasn't anywhere on their radar.

Can’t access it - think site has crashed?!

I imagine their Comms person has got their Out Of Office autoreply on for the next year or two.

Was it Maya posting KS’s emails on twitter they’re referring to?

I went to archive.ph and looked for it there.

Melted their server was exactly it @RedToothBrush 😂

Yes I hope Sex Matters rinses them for this one!

I'm angry all over again because NHS Fife just seem fucking determined to ruin faith in the health care system at the same time as flushing ginormous bags of public cash down the drain. All for some utterly batshit ideology in general, but for one man - one fucking single solitary man - in practice 😡

It is just more harrassment of SP, isn't it!

I'm surprised they're allowed to comment at all while the tribunal is still going.

JR's current thoughts "fucking hell, fucks sake min. Fucking pish neebor idiot bawbag clients. Ah've been here far too lang. Ahv gone native."

NC's current thoughts "YA DANCER"

I think NHS Fife planned to release it at 4pm, when the tribunal stops sitting, but didn’t actually check if it had finished for the day.

Also they may say they can't stop it because RH get are defending, but plenty of other organisations have stopped legal action by settling.

They have nothing to lose because they are only liable for £25k of fees. Insurance will cover the rest. But, having worked with HR lawyers covered by insurance, the insurers have to agree they have followed all legal advice given to them, and that the case is winnable.

I'd love to see the insurance company force them to settle. And I'd love to see insurance companies stop underwriting these cases and refuse to take them.

I am absolutely flabbergasted they thought it was a good idea putting that statement out. I simply cannot imagine any competent legal advisor would have advised it. Not under the current circumstances.

[The reminds me; I must revisit "The Thick of It". I have visions of Malcom Tucker wandering round the Fife Boardroom in an absolute rage].

God lord, can you imagine.

'You bunch of fucking useless incompetent BASTARRRRRDS!'

I've done fuck all today. I'm watching a rugby match, and actually it's a really good contest. But I started watching at around noon, and I keep pausing it to catch up... there's still half an hour to go.

So on the one hand we have NHS Fife who have been promoting all the trans stuff internally to the point that they have staff who have sent emails condemning the actions of a staff member etc and directing everyone to say 'we fully suppport Upton' WHILST an internal investigation is on going.

Keeping in mind Wednesday's ruling about impartiality in the police and the need to not be biased in order to maintain public trust and there being all sorts of other related issues.

So when Sex Matters decides to bring a case - keeping in mind that they are NOT tied by any rules over impartiality - and exist to uphold the rights of women who have been denied their rights by public and private organisations like (checks notes) NHS Fife, this is somehow NOT ok.

Meanwhile, having had members of staff dragged through the mud and other members of staff are being held accountable for their (checks notes) lack of report keeping, adhereing to a policy they hadn't written, wasting public finances and having a complete lack of awareness of what the actual law is in multiple areas, there can be no UTTER OUTRAGE at the COMPLETE SHITSHOW that is NHS Fife?

Because that wouldn't be kind.

Oh Do Fuck Off NHS Fife. It just looks like one last desperate attempt to smear anyone who doesn't agree with doctrine. It doesn't look good and it doesn't look clever.

And it definitely looks like its trying to influence matters. Despite saying that NHS Fife couldn't.

They know heads are going to have to roll don't they? They can FEEL the public anger from what they are reading and they do not like it.

Tough Shit.

Do. Your. Jobs. Properly.

NC wants to 'address this briefly' till Monday and I'm all in favour because I postponed getting a haircut yesterday till the end of the trib today😠
Priorities, priorities..

Marmelise: now there's a word I haven't heard for years!

NC on again, from TT

NC -we will address you very briefly on this. And come back on Monday.
CE Has the panel had the opp to read it? we are not applying for an order but if the tribunal makes an order that has appears to arisen. Primarily it's about putting a marker. With a view to come back on..
J have you seen it?
CE I can't see what kind of order can be sought
J do you want us to read this?
CE - yes

Big Sond pits his reading glasses on.

Just came on to say exactly this. MF’s tweet gained a lot of traction on Twitter- I think that’s what riled NHS Fife.

Interesting that the complaint about the accuracy of TT came from a concerned member of the public. I suppose that's why Sandie's team are paying for a stenographer

Beths mum? All of the NHS fiife witnesses mums?

IANAL but could sex matters sue for defamation or something? NHS Fife are basically blaming them for other people making threats online.

I think it's an attempt to smear everyone they possibly could in one go. Bastards!

THE EMAILS THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO SEE?

THOSE EMAILS???

Christ on a bike if thats what it is.