NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #6

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

JR - we weren't being sneaky
NC - yes but we still want all the homework
(paraphrase)

NC - if not defiance, then extraordinarily negligent and incompetent.

Love that, after all JR’s frantic waffling, NC just calmly sits back and repeats her request for specific searches.

'negligent or incompetent' 😜

Where are you watching / listening to this please?

Yes

NC still wants the searches done, says it's not hyperbolic to call it defiance, but even if so, it's still extremely negligent; and wonders whether Mr Watson will know who else got the document

It probably is actually - basically what happened was the everyone suddenly found that their inboxes were nearly full or actually full and unable to receive new emails. Result was individuals deleting lots of stuff randomly

Teams meetings were always documented in the CS - if something wasn't written down/recorded it in effect didn't happen.

I cannot believe JR has the audacity, given her hectoring of SP to call NC hyperbolic!!!!

My goodness, JR is irritatingly superior and smug. I can't imagine a man in the judges position is going to enjoy that way of speaking.

Just catching up. Flliping heck

NC:
Kate Searle - intemperate inappropriate email to all A+E consultants

NC suggests asking trusts IT department - will work out search terms

Possibly the IT people would still be able to access it then?

I think the judge is not buying what JR is selling

@TheLizardQueen

'Kate Searle - intemperate inappropriate email to all A+E consultants'

Has this been covered?

Thanks for new thread. Incredible stuff

In the OP's first message - there is an email address you can request access. I did earlier and they responded within a few minutes.

How can requiring compliance make matters wholly disproportionate, requiring adjournment?!! Unbelievable.

(I'm only watching today as I wanted to see some excellent advocacy).

JR [if you want us to search properly] this tribunal will have to be adjourned, which would be wholly disproportionate

And JR seems quite rattled. Saying the tribunal will have to be adjourned

Blimey, JR's tone to the judge...

NC - I want to stress our application for an order for specific searches.

the respondent's approach to compliance with order has if not been deliberate been extraordinarily [? some fucker boiling a kettle here ]
... I ask you to have regard to Kate Searle's intemperate and inappropriate statement [inaudible]

Please ask 1st respondent's IT dept to conduct search of email using keywords

Judge there could be thousands

NC - yes, searches are likely to recover that, manual review will need to be done

Judge to JR - can the IT department do this?

JR - will ask. If you go down that route it's like the tribunal will have to be adjourned

'It probably is actually - basically what happened was the everyone suddenly found that their inboxes were nearly full or actually full and unable to receive new emails. Result was individuals deleting lots of stuff randomly'

My former employer did backups every night, so even if deleted they may exist there.

JR is stroppy and sulking.

Russell's position is that it would be better for the hearing to continue with many potentially missing documents missing.

Another bad argument she's been forced to make.