NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #6

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Judge suggesting I think that the lack of notes speaks to how the IX was conducted.

I think it's Judge Timmion.
Although I like the sound of Judge Tinder.

Chair: "That was simply an example of the investigative process", ie a lack of things being documented.

This again comes back to what NC has said - these are extremely serious accusations, so serious that SP had to be suspended, and yet at the same time we're being told not serious enough to warrant a careful paper trail or investigation, just a few quick chats, because they're all too busy doing important things.

Have I understood this correctly? JR is saying that ED could not be part of the investigation because SP had spoken with her about concerns. But also said that ED took Dr U's statement. How does that follow? I'm confused.

JR - will send docs over lunch.

JR - second category - there's a MS Teams invite, no note of discussion.

Judge - simply an example? We really are going back to the terms of the order.

JR - confirming that Esther Davidson's role was only to collect 2nd respondent's statement and she didn't conduct investigation herself

Judge - what is collecting? Receive a statement? Anything beyond being a postbox? What did the postman say, what did the postman do?

[I'm fucking confused]

This is reminding me of the Post Office Trials lawyer Jarnail Singh- "I was just a Post Box"!

I rather suspect they were all too busy reversing into bins.

Judge - is Fife's position that Davidson undertook an investigation?
JR - I wouldn't call it that but will take instructions.

Is that legalese for 'I don't know WTF is going on, and if I find out that I've been set up, there'll be big trouble!'?

Whenever I have a Teams meeting, there's always comments in the 'chat'.

That's a lot of involvement for someone who wasn't involved.

Testing

Are some of you watching / listening somewhere?

Judge proper STARING at JR

That sounds really dodgy, what do they do if there's an inquiry? At least three times in the last few years (including for the COVID inquiry) we've been asked for everyone in the organisation to search their emails with regard to the subject of the inquiry, and either submit them if certify that we have nothing relevant - how could they comply with that if they've completely deleted stuff??

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

We're watching the livestream direct from the tribunal

If I had been JR I would have asked for an adjournment instead of being so convinced of her own (in)competence that she thinks she can talk away out of this.

JR is starting to look like she's gone into this without doing her homework properly and now can't answer all the questions on the test.

JR - there has not been deliberate defiance, that's hyperbolic

apologies the app is playing up for me, wanted to see if I could still post!

JR suggestion that there's been defiance is "hyperbolic and unnecessary"

I'd like the rest of this tribunal in the style of the Post Office Horizon enquiry please, with the documents on screen for us all to follow along with, and recorded for us all to fast forward through in the evening :)

Never attribute to malevolence what can be explained by incompetence? And yet I assume there is a disclosure officer specifically tasked with compliance with such court orders....

If not defiant then negligent or incompetent.

Edited for spelling