Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

Just getting comfy

PMK thank you

PMK - thanks for the new thread

Until tomorrow...

Could someone ask RCS , if women only services are trans inclusive? Seems a fairly important point.

Following.

Thank you for the new thread ✨️

New thread!

Here for RA, the feminism and chocolate cake recipes.

And Haikus. have we had haikus yet?

And have we counted the support cats? (And dogs. And weasels I think were mentioned.)

Read the debate about what RCS Scotland and England mean by “a woman only service”., and agree with all the suspicions expressed.

What i would like to say being from the women's sexual violence sector pre 2015, Is that i blame local authorities.

They had ever decreasing financial envelopes so were in the habit of including male services(such as perps programmes) in commissioning and tendering processes. So not only were women's services going to have to take a financial hit in funding, they had to address male and trans services, if they had any chance of securing the tender, and service.

Add into that the England based RCC federation was wholly created by the government and is a QUANGO. With no fiscal independence

The only other choice they had was to go it alone without public funding, which was the death knell for i think 50% of services for women.

For those who chose to go with the flow, they became vulnerable to TRA infiltration which is actually what has happened.

So to some extent women's services are a victim too, question is of their own making, or not?

What should we here do?

Thanks again everyone

A chocolate cake!
Lovely, though a wee mistake?
Where are the almonds?

(Though I had to check re: syllables in chocolate as in my accent, there's only two)

Only two in my accent too. Although i have just experimented with sounding out 'shock....oo... laaaarte-' in how I would imagine Brigitte Bardot would say it.

No, it seems not yet.
So still we wait, for verses
To come, like justice.

WANT TO WATCH INSTRUCTIONS

@lechiffre55 Told me how to get better video so updated joining instructions

Email: [email protected]

Ask for

Public access request RAdam v ERCC 4102236/2023

Mention you want video access, otherwise they'll email you to ask if you want video or attending in person access.

They'll send you an email with a link and a code and with 2 pdfs, one for watching on computer, one for tablets and phones.

Plus, want better video:

As you go through the process of logging into the meeting there's a settings button. Inside the settings there a bandwidth option near the bottom. By default it's set to medium. Setting this to high will give better video quality for those who have complained the video is too poor. It will use up more mobile data the higher it is set. I advise against setting it to ultra, high on home internet or wifi is great.

Thanks for new thread, will see what madness awaits us tomorrow...

Niiice!

A thread continuation one! Excellent work!

Thank you x

Given that ERCC are saying they only employ women, and a witness at the tribunal claimed that MW is a biological woman, I think some clarity from RCS would be very beneficial.

Over days and days,
Many threads, many women,
Are watching this farce.

Ooh you swines. I don't want to do this... I'm out of practice...

Cracks knuckles...

IDIOTS

Roz worked with idiots who thought sex didn't matter.
When working with women they just gave them some patter.
But tell them a man will be running a session?
God no! Those TERFs need teaching a lesson!
A man is a woman if he says it's so.
If some women complain into the hate folder they go.