Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

@BobbleWobbleHat

They want to dictate what FONT you use? JFC

I do wonder if I can put 'menopausal so might forget things, also on a short fuse from decades of doing things for other people so doesn't have time to accommodate other people's needs if they're not a direct relation' as a medical condition

Surely, a lot of middle aged woman would have this medical condition? At what point does my screaming internal outrage at being treated as a subhuman service unit become a medical condition where I don't have to pander to narcissists?

what font you should use in emails

Wingdings, obviously.

@pronounsbundlebundle that's definitely what happened with me. I was v publicly pulled up for referring to a newly nb 'they' (but previously happy to be referred to as she/her) by their 'deadname' about a week after the change had been announced. It was horrific and just meant I avoided speaking in meetings and interacting with those who were the fierce monitors. It does not help you work well at all. Having to use all your thinking time to bring up the right words rather than conveying the work related content is hard. Especially if you yourself have any particular challenges related to health or things like hearing. Totally understand that all those needs are secondary, obviously.

@ickky they are kind enough to separate out which are unacceptable and must never be used, which are ok and which would be best. So I guess your choices are then seen in moral terms...

@borntobequiet hahahaha I used to love wingdings back in the 80s. My siblings and I would just type stuff out in different fonts and print it for the fun of it. Kids don't know they're burn these days!

I feel your pain. But we're just the wrong kind of women. Not sure we're allowed those hurty feelings.

I genuinely feel my need to not suffer fools should be formally recognised and facilitated!

@ickky I've just checked my email again and no response back from MNHQ regarding my supposed two accounts. I replied to them at tea time yesterday referencing my only email account used for MN and offered to assist further in enquiries if needed.

I'm guessing that my deleted observation on yesterday's thread touched a nerve somewhere as others have suggested on the other thread, and a report was generated .Where the evidence is of a supposed second account I dunno. Not particularly worried, if I disappear then I'll still be looking in reading FWR. 😀

The only socks I have are on my feet.

The only socks I have are on my feet. 😂

"Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology...'

[...]

But I do know that X and Y
Don't mean a person is a guy
In the wonderful world of ERCC!

Thanks for the clarification about closing submissions @Justabaker. Also, thanks for the work of Tribunal Tweets, I view that effort as part of the infrastructure of the push-back against gender identity ideology in the UK.

Yeah, yeah...

(Joking, obv)

I'm also reminded of the sock puppet bit from the TV show Coupling but I can't find a video!

If you know, you know.

Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Today according to opening post.

Tribunal Tweets here:

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1750093233370112299?s=19

The grown up in me would say that any emails that I'd received regarding the upset would get a response that refers to the funding that the centre was working under and to refer them to the funders if they felt it was an issue.

Not start a 'hate' folder.

It is just so utterly bloody childish.

@LoobiJee this is your it's starting now placemaker

We're in!

"I'm [X], my pronouns are [several]. I live with ADHD, this may manifest as taking thought breaks. If I delay before responding, please don't speak as it interrupts my thought and may trigger mutism. I have rejection sensitivity dysphoria so consider how you frame responses to me." and it goes on. Usually, a couple of (mental) health conditions and maybe even a physical description: "I have [Y]-length, [colour] hair, with [X]-coloured eyes".

The only sane response to anything like this is "FFS!" (with an 🙄)

And the room is empty!!

Hmmm empty room...

But there is noone in the room!

I do sometimes say this to my pronoun wielding colleagues. One of them gave me a hard time for using the wrong pronoun for someone who wasn't there so I replied that I was in the menopause and it was difficult for me to remember everything becuase of the medical aspects of that. It was fun watching her fall over herself to apologise for not being kind

I'm in already. That was quick!