Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

I'll go make a cuppa that should get them into the room!

See!

That witness looks v similar to KM

Paging @LoobiJee!

She does, I was thinking why is she back.

😂

Ha of course she would 'affirm'!

And we are off.

MS is another woman in her 50s.

I thought she said 33

33

Witness is Spanish so English not first language

DH You speak with an accent. Is English your first language.

MS No. Spanish

Another board member

NC wants to ask about her role as member of the board

Did this board member start after Roz left?

Why are they asking age? Surely if sex (immediately obvious) is super sensitive info, age should be even more so, it is for me. I'm recently 50 (sob) but IDENTIFY as about 32.

Is sex - a characteristic very important for safeguarding - the only personal characteristic where we have to gaslight people into lying and using language that obfuscates and shame people into lying? Why could this possibly be so? Surely if you can be transgender you can be transage too?

@ickky Don't know

I cant hear anything!

NC sets it out that trustees' job inc keeping things legal, holding org to its objectives.

NC asking her questions about MW asking her to do things

People at ERCC

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC291742/officers

MS appointed on 6 April 2022

Witness doesnt consider MW was controlling the situation

Yes, there are biological men who 'identify' as little girls. I won't say anything else on that.