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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are trans people really facing genocide?

220 replies

CremeEggsForBreakfast · 26/04/2023 10:32

I follow a trans creator on social media. This person is not particularly well-known but I follow them so I'm not in an echo chamber and so I can better understand the opposite point of view.

This person, and others they follow, have been posting about how trans people are facing "a genocide". With new laws on sexual battery being proposed/passed in some states and the attempts to classify "gender reassignment surgery" as sexual harm it seems many trans people now believe this is part of a wider plot not to, you know, safeguard young children but to actually legally murder trans people.

The content I have seen is trans people saying they are facing Stage Eight of a genocide which would be akin to concentration camps.

The laws do seem pretty radical (death penalty, outlawing of drag) but AIBU to think that calling it genocide is hyperbolic? And that given the meaning of the word, genocide can only be committed against racial and ethnic groups?

I'm willing to have my mind changed. I can believe that sex is immutable and still not want trans people to face the death penalty but I find the equating to the national persecution of Jewish people during the Holocaust quite disturbing.

OP posts:
Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2023 18:12

thathuman · 26/04/2023 17:51

Drag queens aren't trans... You know that right? 😂

You...didn't read either the poster I quoted or my post, did you?

I didn't say anything about trans people. Neither did the poster I quoted. Neither are they mentioned in the article I linked. We (myself and the other poster) were having a discussion about drag queens going into schools for story time.

You could argue that it's not particularly addressing the OP but conversations on this website often discuss multiple subjects in threads. I presume you'll be policing other threads in the same way?

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:13

FrippEnos · 26/04/2023 18:09

and yet that is from a trans organisation.

You can't have it both ways.

As for the snarky comment, if that's your best attempt at a discussion maybe you should give up. :)

What constitutes a "trans organisation"? Hahaha this is hilarious to me!

Can't have what both ways? What are you even talking about?

Oh, I was just pointing out a fact - apparently many of you don't know how to use it!

FrippEnos · 26/04/2023 18:16

I see that you have stooped to the usual level of discourse that the TRA side normally lowers itself to.

It just proves that you have no answers to any of the questions or points put forward.

RoseslnTheHospital · 26/04/2023 18:20

A trans organisation - eg stonewall, Mermaids, etc etc. charities or not for profits set up to further transgender ideology causes, politically. And/or to support or represent trans people themselves.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:23

Oh, I was just pointing out a fact - apparently many of you don't know how to use it!

have you deployed any facts yet @thathuman ? Thus far you’ve stated that ‘transwomen’ aren’t men, which is in fact untrue given that a man is an adult human male, something a person has to be to be a transwoman

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:26

Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2023 18:12

You...didn't read either the poster I quoted or my post, did you?

I didn't say anything about trans people. Neither did the poster I quoted. Neither are they mentioned in the article I linked. We (myself and the other poster) were having a discussion about drag queens going into schools for story time.

You could argue that it's not particularly addressing the OP but conversations on this website often discuss multiple subjects in threads. I presume you'll be policing other threads in the same way?

People often put them in the same bucket. Calm down, it's okay. It's just the internet 😁

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 26/04/2023 18:26

@Abra1t "I really and truly do not understand Drag Story Hour. What's in it for the children? How does it improve their love of reading and books?

David Aaronovitch wrote an article saying that drag story time was just fine, and praising one particular DQ (can't remember the name off the top of my head). I looked them up and their tweets were full of references to 'bum honey' and wanting to scratch their 'ball sack' on the train. If a non-drag queen had a twitter profile like that, they wouldn't be able to work with children would they?"

I'm with you, I see no reason at all why having a story read to a child by a man wearing revealing clothing and with an offensive mysogynistic name is of any positive benefit.

If drag queens want to read to kids, why can't they do it under the name Mary, wearing a maxi dress and lipstick? Why do they need to wear a skin tight rainbow sparkly jumpsuit with no underwear on, their cock and balls clearly on show and a name that mocks Neurodiversity?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 26/04/2023 18:27

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:23

Oh, I was just pointing out a fact - apparently many of you don't know how to use it!

have you deployed any facts yet @thathuman ? Thus far you’ve stated that ‘transwomen’ aren’t men, which is in fact untrue given that a man is an adult human male, something a person has to be to be a transwoman

I think you'll be waiting a while for some actual facts.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:29

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 26/04/2023 18:27

I think you'll be waiting a while for some actual facts.

But there will be LOLs. And an implication that everyone on the site is stupid, possibly old

such fun!

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 18:30

And i see we are at that stage of the conversation.

I'm off to polish the roof for half an hour.

nilsmousehammer · 26/04/2023 18:31

Yes, my goldfish's hair definitely needs a wash.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 26/04/2023 18:31

*But there will be LOLs. And an implication that everyone on the site is stupid, possibly old

such fun!*

Haha i can see that coming, along with cries of 'bigots' and 'TERFs'

Freedomfromguilt · 26/04/2023 18:31

Oh bless them. Genocide is another word they don't understand, just like the word woman.

Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2023 18:40

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:26

People often put them in the same bucket. Calm down, it's okay. It's just the internet 😁

You might as well have just said 'calm down dear'.

You're in no position to be condescending.

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:42

Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2023 18:40

You might as well have just said 'calm down dear'.

You're in no position to be condescending.

Says who? You? Ha! Good one.

SpicyMoth · 26/04/2023 18:43

Ingenieur · 26/04/2023 10:39

The "trans genocide" relies on a veeeery selective interpretation of the meaning of "genocide". All common use of the word involves people actually being systematically killed.

The UN, however defines it like this:

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

It is point 2 that trans rights activists cling to, the mental harm, which isn't murder or death at all, but mental harm. I believe this to be a deliberate misrepresentation of what genocide actually is, and is certainly force-teaming this much milder act with the other horrific images conjured up when we talk about genocide.

Interesting how they can't see that they're also "genocide-ing" themselves by their own logic then when you look at rule 4....

"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;"

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:44

About this ‘transwomen aren’t men’ thing

what differentiates them from men? What characteristics don’t they share?

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 18:45

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:42

Says who? You? Ha! Good one.

Are you planning on bringing anything constructive to the discussion or do you just plan on being more belligerent with each post?

Schabernacker · 26/04/2023 18:46

It's complete bollocks peddled by those who have them, @CremeEggsForBreakfast

HTH.

wincarwoo · 26/04/2023 18:52

You've clearly never been on Reddit, if that's what you think. There are many a safe haven for terfs like y'all! Trans women are trans women. Men are men. They're two different things but, you think you know it all, huh? 😂

Just posting this again in case anybody didn't read, digest and change their mind lower down the thread.

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:53

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 18:45

Are you planning on bringing anything constructive to the discussion or do you just plan on being more belligerent with each post?

I respond to intelligence with intelligence.

SinnerBoy · 26/04/2023 18:54

In a very real sense, we're all dim-witted Nazis. Oh and religious extremists, as well.

Where's my money, Westboro Baptist Church?

Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2023 18:57

SinnerBoy · 26/04/2023 18:54

In a very real sense, we're all dim-witted Nazis. Oh and religious extremists, as well.

Where's my money, Westboro Baptist Church?

I suppose you'd have to ask Lorna Slater

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-cannot-back-up-26961353

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 19:08

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:53

I respond to intelligence with intelligence.

Spock Encerio GIF

Having just had a quick read back through the last few posts....

SquidwardBound · 26/04/2023 19:12

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 19:08

Having just had a quick read back through the last few posts....

I think this particular poster is practising their gaslighting skills.