Are trans people really facing genocide?

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I follow a trans creator on social media. This person is not particularly well-known but I follow them so I'm not in an echo chamber and so I can better understand the opposite point of view.

This person, and others they follow, have been posting about how trans people are facing "a genocide". With new laws on sexual battery being proposed/passed in some states and the attempts to classify "gender reassignment surgery" as sexual harm it seems many trans people now believe this is part of a wider plot not to, you know, safeguard young children but to actually legally murder trans people.

The content I have seen is trans people saying they are facing Stage Eight of a genocide which would be akin to concentration camps.

The laws do seem pretty radical (death penalty, outlawing of drag) but AIBU to think that calling it genocide is hyperbolic? And that given the meaning of the word, genocide can only be committed against racial and ethnic groups?

I'm willing to have my mind changed. I can believe that sex is immutable and still not want trans people to face the death penalty but I find the equating to the national persecution of Jewish people during the Holocaust quite disturbing.

What I think is interesting is that there are multiple countries where being gay is outlawed and can be faced with the death penalty, and yet I’ve never once heard of that being called a genocide, despite hearing of multiple people over the years being killed across the world because of such laws.

But suddenly there’s a supposed trans genocide in stage 8!! All hands on deck!! Because of a few lawmakers taking notice of some of the antics of the community.

I’ll be the first to say there’s some laws being passed and proposed that leave me deeply concerned, but nothing, nothing, to suggest a genocide. To say it as such is a flippant use of the word.

No ones a bigot for wanting to protect women's rights. You won't be missed though with that attitude.

This is something else that no one is talking about - the physical impact of filling human bodies with hormones for the opposite sex for years or decades. The information is out there, for anyone who chooses to look, but from a purely common sense perspective it can't do any good and will surely lead to not just stroke, but heart attacks, cancers and other life-limiting conditions. I suspect that, in future decades, we'll have not only a cohort of sterile people with no sexual function, but that same people suffering from entirely preventable and very serious medical conditions, including premature death.

I suspect that, in future decades, we'll have not only a cohort of sterile people with no sexual function, but that same people suffering from entirely preventable and very serious medical conditions, including premature death. @maranella

So in a way it’s a long, protracted self-genocide.

If the intent of these laws is to outlaw child transition, it seems reasonable for the TRAs to be up in arms. If the intent is to police the way people dress, I would be up in arms if I was American.

Niot genocide though.

If the intent of these laws is to outlaw child transition, it seems reasonable for the TRAs to be up in arms.

Why?

Yes @MavisMcMinty - utterly tragic.

Why? Most people should be able to see why children should not be allowed to transition. Children are not mature enough to make the medical decision to mutilate their bodies.

Why? I don't know the details of how this law is supposed to work, or the politics of the people who have suggested it, but I think the TRA side might not be unreasonable to think this was a way to attack child transition indirectly. So their response might be less hysterical than it looks at first glance.

I would be quite happy to see it attacked directly.

Not, not niot!

I actually think what we are seeing is a gradual, but inexorable, Female Erasure. The transhumanist project, and the advance of technology, will impact upon women most of all. The thing is there are lots of women who are unknowingly aiding and abetting this in the name of liberation. What they are seeking is 'liberation' from being women/female.

Soon, if we are not careful a woman' will be nothing but a free floating concept to be adopted by anyone or anything.

You could, for example, read the law. It’s available online.

And then make a judgement about whether measures within it about aggravated sexual battery of children under 12 are something TRAs should be protesting against and claiming are an
act of genocide against trans people.

Absolutely. There are very few other groups of people who are targeted the way they are. The only reason for it all is ignorance and fear of what they don't know. If every group was held to account for all the bad things that a small minority did, pastors and police all over the world would be in a much different situation than they are. But nobody cares what they're doing - only focused on those lives that have no affect on theirs! I'd post this on Reddit and see what you get because this site is very, very biased.

Anyone who says they aren't facing it are biased and blind.

So their response might be less hysterical than it looks at first glance.

read the Florida sexual battery law that is apparently evidence of stage 8 genocide.

is the TRA reaction somehow justified?

Most of the young women having hystorectomies are getting them because of the side effects of being on testosterone not because its part of the transition process (though it's often painted that way to disguise the harm of x sex hormones)

This site has an open bias towards recognising women as distinct sex class and seeking to centre and protect those rights. There is nothing hidden about this.

You're kidding, right? At least Mumsnet lets people with different opinions on this topic post.

Reddit bans anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of gender.

PS - women don't want to keep male people out of our single sex spaces due to fear of what we don't know. It's due to fear of what we do know.

Reddit? The openly woman-hating, misogynist cess pit? Er, no.

I am going to re-post this - because the reason most of us are here is because we recognise that it is women who are being erased as a result of transgender theory.

Let that sink in.

Again, I don't know the details of the drag ban bill, and it seems highly reasonable to keep children away from adult entertainment, but you would need to word this carefully, and I have no reason to believe the people who worded it have the same views about gender non conformity as I do. So obviously TRAs are overreacting here, as usual, but I am not sure they are completely overreacting.

The worry about gender ideology has always been that with the left buying into such irrational and toxic ideas, it gives the right a great big open goal, and that we will see the right using this to push back against gay rights, and women's rights too. This might be an example of this happening.

You've clearly never been on Reddit, if that's what you think. There are many a safe haven for terfs like y'all! Trans women are trans women. Men are men. They're two different things but, you think you know it all, huh? 😂

The entire gender critical sub was banned.

And no, there is no difference between men and trans women as far as I'm concerned, because man is just a word for adult human male.

Well, you know what they say about opinions...😉

Please justify how this can be compared to genocide.

The gc sub was banned, the detransitioners sub was banned. All they've got is desperate and heavy censorship and moderators like Amy Challoner!

Smoking the weed, feeding the paranoia.

Not only it is emphatically not true it is anti-Semitic.