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CremeEggsForBreakfast · 2023-04-26T09:32:39+00:00

I follow a trans creator on social media. This person is not particularly well-known but I follow them so I'm not in an echo chamber and so I can better understand the opposite point of view. This person, and others they follow, have been posting about how trans people are facing "a genocide". With new laws on sexual battery being proposed/passed in some states and the attempts to classify "gender reassignment surgery" as sexual harm it seems many trans people now believe this is part of a wider plot not to, you know, safeguard young children but to actually legally murder trans people. The content I have seen is trans people saying they are facing Stage Eight of a genocide which would be akin to concentration camps. The laws do seem pretty radical (death penalty, outlawing of drag) but AIBU to think that calling it genocide is hyperbolic? And that given the meaning of the word, genocide can only be committed against racial and ethnic groups? I'm willing to have my mind changed. I can believe that sex is immutable and still not want trans people to face the death penalty but I find the equating to the national persecution of Jewish people during the Holocaust quite disturbing.

Brefugee · 26/04/2023 19:13

thathuman · 26/04/2023 15:48

Absolutely. There are very few other groups of people who are targeted the way they are. The only reason for it all is ignorance and fear of what they don't know. If every group was held to account for all the bad things that a small minority did, pastors and police all over the world would be in a much different situation than they are. But nobody cares what they're doing - only focused on those lives that have no affect on theirs! I'd post this on Reddit and see what you get because this site is very, very biased.

Anyone who says they aren't facing it are biased and blind.

can you point out the ACTUAL killings?

there is no genocide. There is a shrill campaign against women. By men. Everyone else who has been caught up in it for whatever reason are collateral damage.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 26/04/2023 19:24

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:23

Oh, I was just pointing out a fact - apparently many of you don't know how to use it!

have you deployed any facts yet @thathuman ? Thus far you’ve stated that ‘transwomen’ aren’t men, which is in fact untrue given that a man is an adult human male, something a person has to be to be a transwoman

usernother · 26/04/2023 19:26

No, of course not. That's laughable. Was this Katy Montgomery?

Zodfa · 26/04/2023 19:45

I would like to congratulate the architects of the trans genocide for doing such a good job of keeping anyone from hearing about it. Except on Reddit, apparently.

RedToothBrush · 26/04/2023 19:46

risefromyourgrave · 26/04/2023 10:55

Oh please come back, your post offered such insight, you obviously have much to teach us….

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I could just do with a good laugh tbh.

MargotBamborough · 26/04/2023 19:48

thathuman · 26/04/2023 16:05

Well, you know what they say about opinions...😉

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The immutability and binary nature of biological sex in humans is a fact, not an opinion.

MargotBamborough · 26/04/2023 19:49

Zodfa · 26/04/2023 19:45

I would like to congratulate the architects of the trans genocide for doing such a good job of keeping anyone from hearing about it. Except on Reddit, apparently.

Oh we're hearing all about it.

We just have no idea who any of the victims are or who has hidden the bodies.

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:03

I assume that most people talking about transgenocide don't mean actual physical killing, but the introduction of measures which would prevent trans people from transitioning and so their trans identity would be erased. The death of their trans self, not their actual physical self. Is that a wrong assumption?

Ingenieur · 26/04/2023 20:48

Sure they might say that. That's why it's disgusting hyperbole to pretend it's the same as the Shoah.

Also, in the real world you can't genocide an idea, only people.

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:50

@Ingenieur Quite.

Ingenieur · 26/04/2023 21:09

@CurlewKate

Sorry, I'll take a deep breath!

EpicChaos · 26/04/2023 21:29

2 quick points...

As far as genocide is concerned, the only genocide that i can see any evidence of, is the loss of healthy children to an ideology that requires them to kill off the body of their birth, reducing a once healthy body, to that of a sack of skin that no longer resembles the person it once was, that will need medical care for however long it's on this earth. That's genocide and it's a genocide that doesn't allow parents/friends or other family to mourn, or grieve for the child they lost!

Regarding the death penalty - where precisely is this being rolled out specifically and purely for dealing with trans? Where?
If it's for child rapists, well i'll be honest, i won't lose any sleep over that, not one wink out of my allotted 40 will go by the wayside at all. Are you suggesting that all trans are child rapists? you seem to be.

In any case, even in murder cases, the death penalty isn't always used even when it can be, like in a current case where the DP has been removed from the table, even though it was originally sought and allowed as a likely and deserved punishment.

DerekFaker · 26/04/2023 22:33

The argument is that they are linked. Florida is proposing or has introduced (I'm unsure) a bill on Capital Sexual Battery in which causing harm to sexual organs of someone under 12 can incur the death penalty with a smaller number or jurors voting. Trans people, rightly or wrongly, believe those seeking gender reassignment surgery for their children could be at risk from this bill (or would be in the future).

So TRAs are now acknowledging that minors DO have surgery and are given hormones. But we were told that wasn't happening....

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/04/2023 23:07

ClawedButler · 26/04/2023 10:44

Being told 'no' for once is not genocide.

Yep, this.

Datun · 27/04/2023 00:04

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:03

I assume that most people talking about transgenocide don't mean actual physical killing, but the introduction of measures which would prevent trans people from transitioning and so their trans identity would be erased. The death of their trans self, not their actual physical self. Is that a wrong assumption?

Well, it's built on a lie. A man who's had his penis inverted hasn't 'transitioned' into anything. He's just a man with his penis inverted.

Likewise a man who has silicone breasts inserted under his skin. That's what he is. He's not a woman. He's a man with silicone breasts.

The idea that stopping the surgeries on minors, especially, is erasing anything, other than healthy organs, is all based on the marketing of the concept that humans can transition from one sex to the other.

They can't.

Datun · 27/04/2023 00:09

can you point out the ACTUAL killings?

And there's this ^, of course. As far as I'm aware, not a single person in this country has been killed for being trans.

So genocide means 'no one has been killed' now.

Got it.

DarkDayforMN · 27/04/2023 00:12

Datun · 27/04/2023 00:09

can you point out the ACTUAL killings?

And there's this ^, of course. As far as I'm aware, not a single person in this country has been killed for being trans.

So genocide means 'no one has been killed' now.

Got it.

"Trans women" aren't women.
"Trans men" aren't men.
"Trans genocide" isn't genocide.

Wow, it even makes a through the looking glass sort of sense.

ArabeIIaScott · 27/04/2023 09:22

Just having a look at US Twitter. I've seen a few accounts now talking about this 'genocide'. Their response? Calls to arms.

Two accounts that ask for funds to provide arms.

https://twitter.com/EFJBGC/status/1651248839976943619?cxt=HHwWhoDQ6ceEteotAAAA

https://twitter.com/GuardTrans

Yes, these may be blowhard outliers. But the rhetoric is ramping up. It's alarming.

https://twitter.com/EFJBGC/status/1651248839976943619?cxt=HHwWhoDQ6ceEteotAAAA

MargotBamborough · 27/04/2023 10:26

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:03

I assume that most people talking about transgenocide don't mean actual physical killing, but the introduction of measures which would prevent trans people from transitioning and so their trans identity would be erased. The death of their trans self, not their actual physical self. Is that a wrong assumption?

I mean, if your identity is so fragile that it can be erased by someone telling you you can't have dangerous cosmetic surgery, how strong is that identity in the first place?

There's certainly an inconsistency between the belief that your genitals aren't what make you a woman or a man, and the belief that you are being literally erased if society won't let you have your genitals reconfigured to resemble a member of the opposite sex.

escapingthecity · 27/04/2023 10:57

Is the creator you follow in the US? The landscape there is quite different to here in the UK given the divergence between policies in different states. It is not helpful to import the American trans experience to the UK.

SquirrelSoShiny · 27/04/2023 12:55

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 26/04/2023 18:26

@Abra1t "I really and truly do not understand Drag Story Hour. What's in it for the children? How does it improve their love of reading and books?

David Aaronovitch wrote an article saying that drag story time was just fine, and praising one particular DQ (can't remember the name off the top of my head). I looked them up and their tweets were full of references to 'bum honey' and wanting to scratch their 'ball sack' on the train. If a non-drag queen had a twitter profile like that, they wouldn't be able to work with children would they?"

I'm with you, I see no reason at all why having a story read to a child by a man wearing revealing clothing and with an offensive mysogynistic name is of any positive benefit.

If drag queens want to read to kids, why can't they do it under the name Mary, wearing a maxi dress and lipstick? Why do they need to wear a skin tight rainbow sparkly jumpsuit with no underwear on, their cock and balls clearly on show and a name that mocks Neurodiversity?

God yes all of this.

SquidwardBound · 27/04/2023 16:04

who is calling for executions of trans people though?

Where is the evidence that this is actually happening? If governments were actually saying ‘trans people area threat to children. We must round them up and execute them to prevent this’ there would be widespread coverage of this.

There is no trans eradication strategy. There are no death lists. This rhetoric is unbelievably offensive when there are awful examples of these genocidal practices being deployed against ethnic groups. This stuff has happened to people. It continues to in real situations in the world.

A bunch of North American trans people pretending this is happening to them is beyond offensive.

SquidwardBound · 27/04/2023 16:10

escapingthecity · 27/04/2023 10:57

Is the creator you follow in the US? The landscape there is quite different to here in the UK given the divergence between policies in different states. It is not helpful to import the American trans experience to the UK.

Even in the US context though, it’s nonsense. There is no trans genocide in the USA. There is no evidence whatsoever of stage 8 persecution (as this creator is claiming).

It beggars belief that TRAs say this stuff with so little challenge. Indeed people who should know better perpetuate this utter misinformation.

Genocide is not some fashionable imagery or terminology to be throwing around in the social media oppression olympics.

Are trans people really facing genocide?

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CremeEggsForBreakfast · 28/04/2023 14:22

escapingthecity · 27/04/2023 10:57

Is the creator you follow in the US? The landscape there is quite different to here in the UK given the divergence between policies in different states. It is not helpful to import the American trans experience to the UK.

Yes, the person is in the US and I am indeed in the UK but I find it helpful to take an interest in what goes on in other parts of the world. If there to be an actual genocide beginning somewhere I would probably want to know about it, wouldn't you?

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CremeEggsForBreakfast · 28/04/2023 14:30

CoastalHeart · 26/04/2023 14:32

What I think is interesting is that there are multiple countries where being gay is outlawed and can be faced with the death penalty, and yet I’ve never once heard of that being called a genocide, despite hearing of multiple people over the years being killed across the world because of such laws.

But suddenly there’s a supposed trans genocide in stage 8!! All hands on deck!! Because of a few lawmakers taking notice of some of the antics of the community.

I’ll be the first to say there’s some laws being passed and proposed that leave me deeply concerned, but nothing, nothing, to suggest a genocide. To say it as such is a flippant use of the word.

Thank you for this response. It's articulated my thoughts exactly.

I can see how these laws have the potential to be twisted and manipulated over time to make life difficult for ordinary and innocent trans people and I can just about massage or stretch things into fitting into the stages of a genocide but, as you say, far more draconian laws exist elsewhere and noone is suggesting those laws represent anything bigger than a cruel regime against gay and lesbian people.

And thanks to everyone else who has given a thoughtful and responses as well.
And to those who haven't given thoughtful responses too. It's somewhat proved a point.

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